Mod idea: Attacking trough shields?

[Ardis]

I want to get a decent portion of my Project Iron mod done and I had this cool idea of making a unit that can damage units directly through shields. You've probably noticed that the Defiler's plague ability can damage Protoss units right through their shields, which is what I want to set up.

I want to know, if it's possible, how to make regular weapons be able to attack directly through Protoss shields, kind of like how the Defiler's plague does.

I figured if there was anyone who knew, there's a good chance it'd be someone here.

[Maglok]

The fact them toss units in SC2 do that bypass shields if attack is not strong enough stirred the creative juices hm?

NO clue!

[Infiltrator]

Since plague is a spell, I dunno if you can get regular weapons to work the same way. My guess is that normal attacks are hardcoded to take out shields first then hit points. Maybe you'll find a solution in iscript.bin. Try looking at the Plague entry, if there is one. Otherwise, sorry can't really help you. :/

[IskatuMesk]

Iscript won't be able to do this. You're only hope is using the plague spell flag in weapons.dat. If that doesn't work, I reckon it's impossible.

[Infiltrator]

Aye, it seems highly unlikely that Blizzard would put in such an attack but never use it.

[Ardis]

I'll experiment with it, but I don't do the scripting in my mod because I don't know how, I found someone to help me out with that.

The fact them toss units in SC2 do that bypass shields if attack is not strong enough stirred the creative juices hm?

NO clue!

Yes, partly. It really was that I was thinking about how plague can damage through shields and I thought it would be cool to make one of my units be able to do something similar.


I'll try messing with the weapons.dat entry to see if I can come up with something.

[TheImperialArchon]

If you cant get the weapon modded to go through shields you might have to modify the shields to let that one weapon through. If that doesn't work I can't give anymore advice.

[Ardis]

I thought that the shields were hard coded.

Also, I couldn't get anything through weapons.dat editing and the person who does the iscripting for my mod said no to trying because it's impossible apparently (I don't know anything about Iscripting, so I don't really know what is possible and what is not.)

[IskatuMesk]

Iscripting handles animations and really doesn't have anything to do with how shields function besides how they appear.

[Ardis]

Well, another idea of a feature I wanted but won't happen. Heh, my mod's getting screwed over by the 1.15.0 update, my mod randomly crashes now, it's been randomly crashing since 1.14 even, but 1.15.0 makes it crash more often. I'm about to just give up on the StarCraft mod and learn to program and use an open source engine.

[IskatuMesk]

Really, if you just want to mod, you can either...

1.) Learn LUA and mod supreme commander

2.) Wait until sc2

SC1 is just too much of a hassle.

[Ardis]

Problem is that I want to learn to make games, not just mod existing ones. I'm just modding because I lack the skills and knowledge required to make a game.

[IskatuMesk]

Everyone wants to make their own game. 1% get past conceptual stages. Maybe a quarter of that 1% actually get the required skills in terms of people to have a potential future.

I have seen like one instance where an independant game actually got to a decent level of playability and respectible quality.

[Durandal-Thoth]

Actually, it's a little closer to Four percent. But nevertheless, it's a very small number.

If you want skills in modding, I really doubt you'd look towards Starcraft. Starcraft is more of an engine to play around with because of it's simplicity, if you want to get into introductory level modding, I suggest you turn towards Dawn of War and Rise of Nations (Both 3D games, as the 2D market is getting a bit old now) as they both use XML and LUA based engines. Modding them is almost as simple as making a webpage.

[Ardis]

Okay, so the idea is a bust. I found something similar; give the unit a sub-unit with an attack that uses EMP shockwave, which means the subunit will auto-kill the shields while the main unit attacks.