I have a new "campaign" and I need help.

[Tojso09]

My idea for the whole thing is one massive RPG that spans multiple maps and the player may switch between maps by entering an exit location and inputing a code consisting of creating units at the beginning of the next map.

In addition to that monster of a project, there is also the aspect of trying a turn-based battle like in Final Fantasy games if any of you have ever played one.

Also, there will be some cheat protection.

With just this much in the game (excluding storyline, quests and such) I can see that this will take 500+ triggers per map. Also I need help with creating really good terrain because I don't want to have good triggers and then have the visual representation be horrible.

Any help at all will be accepted, except if I get 20+ replies asking if they can test the map. All other types of volunteers will receive their place in the credits. This really does seem like a project that is too big for one person to handle.

If any clarification is needed on any aspect explained thus far, please ask and I will answer to the best of my ability.

[Maglok]

Ambitious. Question: Have you ever made a SC map? It might be wise to have a bit of knowledge before you begin on such a big project.

I have in the past done some turned base stuff, but it's very, very, trigger intensive and in SC you loose track of your triggers real quickly. Good luck though.

[Tojso09]

I have made maps, but never really finished any of them because I have all these ideas and sometimes they don't work the way they are supposed to, so I lose interest in the map; most times it winds up getting scratched. I also get sidetracked easily.

[Meta]

I made a turn-based dungeon map as a bonus map to my campaign The Flame Knives. If you're interested, go to www.samods.org and download map 11 - it's a 3-map pack, you're looking for the third one. I even used the Final Fantasy "entering battle" sound.  Don't forget to use the executable file, either.

Although it's not overcomplicated in there, I intend to redo the idea in Starcraft 2, adding one battlefield per terrain layer(e.g one for "Snow", one for "Outpost", one for "Ice" and so on, just like Final Fantasy had) and allow ambushes, pincer, surprise attacks, random treasures when the battle ends and whatnot, for more variation. I also plan to include custom terrain and maybe a real turn-based event (each enemy and each allied unit will attacks at one given time) for boss battles. SC2 will also allow me to play a battle theme during the battles and a fanfare after them, which adds to the FF atmosphere. 

About the map-to-map changes, the only way I can see it working is, as you said, via triggers that emulate codes or something. Either that or wait for SC2: WC3 had a bonus campaign based on the same system you're describing, and SC2 will surely be at least as powerful as WC3's, so it'll definitely be possible. Either way, you're in for a lot of triggerwork, and, as Maglok said, it can be overwhelming. Half of my mapmaking time is spent fixing the bugs.

Also, I might be nitpicking, but mass triggers doesn't exactly equal fun. But I have to agree that, if well done, it'll be a great feature.

[chorale]

I could help you build your map. i did build many map and started a campaign ( never finished it by lack of time at that period ). I can help you with trigger and terrain but cannot help you at all with graphic, model or sound nor grammar since i'm french.

Its too bad i dont have any proof for you, i did asked Campaign Creation to host the project for me, but that was before the new look of CC and they did refuse because there was no graphic or voice. My campaign was Legacy of the Terran and it was a 120 mission for 2 player. Usually campaign are 1 player, but i wanted this one to be 2 player, for people who are tired of playing campaign without the possibility of playing it in multiplayer mode. the first 6 mission were ready.

If you want to have a look of what i had started, i could send your the .doc.

Edit : I just found that i still have the mission 2-6 ( lost the mission 1 O_o ) SO if you want to try them with me, just ask.

My email is : gaelh@vl.videotron.ca

I'm willing to help you a lot and i also have the member of the Sc clan i'm in who will be able to test it ( at least 1 man )

As for the switching of map, there is just need to set precise setting and its easy. ( i never fully understood the wc3 editor.. nor did i took the time lol )

[Legion]

My campaign was Legacy of the Terran and it was a 120 mission for 2 player.

What? A 120 mission campaign?

[chorale]

My campaign was Legacy of the Terran and it was a 120 mission for 2 player.

What? A 120 mission campaign?

112 to be exact i still have the story-board, all the material ( except mission 1 lost in void ) and the mission 2-6 almost free of bug ( lacking tester ). At that time i was interviewed by one of the top CC staff who played the campaign and told me that it lacked the quality require to be hosted here. By that he meaned that there was no custom portrait, or voice. I had the music and still have most of them for the 24 first mission.

Here is the Doc i made for the Frontpage of the Website, who finally was never born

Please forgive the bad english but i was building my campaign alone, without help of anykind

Front page
Nota : If we can put a picture of the head of each hero just at they name it will be genious.



Legacy Of the Terran Part 1 on 4, 24 missions..
Héritage Des Terriens ( in French )

It is a world where the terran know they are alone in the galaxy. It is a time where terran spent they time to politics, running from the laws and to do weird thing. In this time. The world is united under the rules of the President ,who rules like a tyran over his people.

Lot of people want freedom and start to rebel again the imperial army and his president. But what can do a rag-tag army versus a well organised army ?.

The outlaws Francois wasn’t one of those who wanted to kill the president, but he is one of them who don’t recognize his autority. Above all the cost of the human live is less than a credit..

The human world is consisting of one planet. They have orbital platform but no warp technologies that will enable them to seek new planet.

And so it’s begin.

Legacy of the Terran part 2 on 4 , 24 missions.
Where Terran come back to live
Coming soon
Legacy of the Terran part 3 on 4 , 18 missions.
Where protoss and Terran make they stand
Coming soon
Legacy of the Terran part 4 on 4 , 36 missions.
Where Terran discover they Legacy.
Coming soon


Race page:

Terran :

The terran live on the planet Andromeda who is a lovely planet with lot of Ocean. They world is a beautiful one but the industrial factory slowly began to corrupt the planet.

Knowing only too well than one day the planet will not be able to support they race, the terran started to research space travel and new home. Alas, without technologies that enable them to travel faster in space, they know than they are doomed.

They population is around 60 trillion of people, and in the focus to conquest the space , about 5 million of people are searching day and night for a solution of the problem.


Protoss:

The protoss are stalwart warrior, bound to honour and strength and power. They live and die for glory. They are ruled by a conclave of 8 protoss who rule them when they reach 500 years old. They leader are Born leader. Not chosen. They are a martial people who can’t live a day without a good fight. For real or not. For there is no more glory than dying in bloody battle.

They are a telephatique race. Witch mean than if you see a strange creature and have violent headache, well, they are speaking to you.



Hero Roster Page  ( Part 1 ):

Narrator:
Age : unknown
Unit : civilian

The narrator is me, Hyc-Chorale. I am your guide all the way of the campaign. I hope you enjoy the campaign as much I had to build it.

Feel free to e-mail me feedback at gaelh@vl.videotron.ca

Mike :
Age : 39
Unit : Firebat ( Guy Montag )

Mike enlisted himself in the imperial army at 16. He was a true believer in the right of the justice and wanted to track down enemy soldier in a good battle. He started as private and went good. But not long after, he realize than most of his mission was to track down people who, in fact, wasn’t soldier or killer.. almost all of his mission was to slain people who wanted freedom and didn’t pay tax in the hope to buy a ship and leave the planet… he start to revolt and each time, what he get was a promotion. So now he is a master Sergeant and can’t go further for 1 year before the present, he refuses to kill a poor man and he gets court-martial. The choose was indeed simple.. Stay in the army and never get another promotion, or death... he chooses to stay in the army but never truly forgive himself to his cowardice...

Francois:
Age : 22
Unit : Marine ( Jim Raynor )

Francois is a man who lives only for the present and the feeling. He likes to do thing with a high percentage of danger or to wound himself.. He is a neck-broker. But he is also someone with a charisma unequalled for his young age. Young people easily follow him in any adventure. Still Francois is not willing to loose his men or friend for he can’t accept the fact than people die everyday. If it was only for him, he will save the planet and no one will die again.

Francois is a rebel from his enfant stage. Never listened father or mother. Always doing what he wanted. It was only natural for him to save his money rather than giving it to someone he even never meet or see. Leaded by his charisma, he regroups a small band of young people and settled shelter in a small town where he hope. The army will never come.

Jones:
Age : 35
Unit : vulture ( Jim Raynor )

Jones was before a peaceful farmer with a family. He lived in a small town where life was good. Good man he always done what the government wanted, and never forgets to pay all the bill he has. Thing changed when the imperial army went in his village in search of an outlaw. Jones knows for some day that there was an outlaw in town but don’t mind it. After all, people are free to do what they want.

The army chief, frustrated to not having found the outlaw, but convinced than he was here, decided to burn down the town, even if it is still full of people. This day, Jones wasn’t in town, he was working in the wild, seeking for a piece of equipment he lost.
When he return, the town was burning and everyone in the town was burned alive… his family too.

From this day, he swears to destroy the empire and kill the president and all people who have done this. It wasn’t very long before he became the most feared mercenary on the planet.

Kirk :
Age : 37
Unit : Battle cruiser  ( Jim raynor )

Kirk is a former officer of the imperial army. Friend of Jones since childhood, he never trusted the fact than Jones destroyed his own town, as was declarer by the army.

3 year ago, he stole a battle cruise who was supposed to be given to the president for his birthday, and from that day he is flying, and flying as far he can from every town. He always seeks to find his lost friend and ally with, but never truly got the occasion to stop running.

Kirk is a man bound to honour and a true believer in sacrifice and duty. If he decides than this think is the right one then he will stick to it forever. But if it is not. It will try to change it of destroy it.

President :
Age : 57
Unit : Battle cruiser ( Mensk )

No one knows his true name. But this man appears a day in the capital city and with a handful of men assault the capitol. He successfully killed the president and took his place autoproclaming himself President and killing everyone who try to stop him. That was 20 years ago. And from this day, he never stopped to gather Treasure. Rumour tells than he even has a harem of women, slave to him and bound to him for they whole live.

When something is in way, he removes it. Simply. Still, some people in the world think he can become a truly leader of the world if time is given to him. But for now. No one knows.

Wraith Escort.
Age : varies
Unit : Wraith ( tom kazansky )

Those 6 men are the most trusted men in who the president put faith. They are the men who help him kill the former president. They are living and dying for him. Serving him unquestionly.

They fly the most advanced aircraft the world ever has. They have the most powerful technologies at them disposal. They are without mind and never ask themselves if what they are doing is right.

Scherazd
Age : 54
Unit : Goliath ( Schezard )

Scherazd is the father of Marlene. He build the scientist complex long ago for he is passionate by botanic. His wife died giving life to his daughter and for this time, protect his child like a wolf. Former scientist, he given all his knowledge to his daughter and went to his protection. His idea was to found a way to use microscopic animal to grow plant and food faster than normal. But he never makes the end of his project.

Now too old to do research he prefers to protect the complex with his life. For he also crafted the unique Goliath he have. None Goliath are as strong and powerful than his.
He consider himself neutral but will do all it must be done for his Daughter.

Duke :
Age : 30
Unit : Tank ( duke )

Duke is a man who live by the book . if it isn’t writed in a book then it’s impossible.
He live and die for the imperial Army. Seeking to become the right hand of the president he is willing to do his biding without question.

He is a man who believes than hitting something one time with an extraordinary force than multiple hit with a lesser force is better than nothing. “If you can’t hit someone and putting him down in 1 shoot, then you are a women “as he said.

Absolutely without fear and remorse. He don’t hesitate to kill men even if they done nothing to him. Rumour said than he has even killed a colonel who wanted to fire him from the army. He even took his rank and place in the army.

Marlene :
Age : 25
Unit : Kerrigan ( ghost )

Marlene is the daughter of Scherazd. She’s a scientist. At 15, she took the research of his father and began to explore new way. By studying animal and other insect, she hopes to find a way to stop the famine in the world and to establish a bit of justice.

She is neutral to the president but officially support him. In sometime she doesn’t hesitate to use mercenary to get the supply she need.

She is a strong believer of the survival of the humanity and in the fact than the humanity is not alone in the galaxy.

At 20, she was enrolled in the scientist team of the army and began testing some experiment. She hopes to use his job to reach his father dream.

Unknown:
Age : unknown
Unit : Unknown

No file record

unknown :
Age : unknown
Unit : unknown

No file record.

Aldaris :
Age : 1053
Unit : templar ( aldaris )

Aldaris is the leader of the Protoss and master of the conclave. He is a true believer of the purity of the race and in the “only the strongest will survive “maxima..

He is a bold and wise leader for he ruled the protoss for almost half of his life. Inferior race don’t have the right to live for him. Only the strongest have this right.

He is bound to honour and power

Tassadar :
Age : 435
Unit : templar ( tassadar )

Tassadar is a general of the Protoss army. He is the favourite next leader of the protoss after Aldaris. But his vision make this function hard to achieve for he believe than all race have the right to live without interference of other race.

Aldaris found each opportunity to discredit Tassadar and try every time to get him down. But Tassadar is the hero of the protoss and the one who united all the clan in a whole race. .

He is in charge of the terran extermination by direct order of Aldaris. But somehow, he doubts the rightness of that.

Veteran Scientist, he is also the finest scientist of his race.


Download page

Act I : The discovery

H.D.T.01 ; Did you pay your tax ?
H.D.T.02 ; Caught !
H.D.T.03 ; New Friends
H.D.T.04 ; First encounter
H.D.T.05 ; New hope
H.D.T.06 ; Where knowledge is the key

Act II : A new weapon

H.D.T.07 ; Do we lost our Tank capacity ?
H.D.T.08 ; Where knowledge is not important and survival is important
H.D.T.09 ; Baby-sitting
H.D.T.10 ; New shelter
H.D.T.11 ; New weapon
H.D.T.12 ; Where friend are dying

Act III : Where Honour isn’t important.

H.D.T.13 ; Mask fall’s
H.D.T.14 ; no where to hide.
H.D.T.15 ; When help come under un-expected form
H.D.T.16 ; Why do they help us ?
H.D.T.17 ; Making amends
H.D.T.18 ; Weak point.

Act IV : New world

H.D.T.19 ; When the enemy of my enemy is my enemy
H.D.T.20 ; splitting time for hope
H.D.T.21 ; Seeking Heaven
H.D.T.22 ; Knowledge is truly the key
H.D.T.23 ; When Justice is right
H.D.T.24 ; Where the end isn’t the one expected.

Basiquely 1 player play as Francois and the second as Mike. You start the first 2 mission battle each other then for the rest of the campaign you are ally , or are you ?. the campaign IS possible with 1 player, but to use the full lengh of its story and everything you need both.

So im willing to help this man make his, or if somone want to help me, restart mine lol. anyway. when i posted on cc forum long time ago, noone seem interested. maybe now ?

[Maglok]

Strange I have never known CC to care about portraits or voices, but to instead select on overall quality. A great story and nice gameplay were the selecting factors.

[chorale]

Look Maglok, i dont blame CC at all and maybe the politics have changed since. That was at least 4 years from now and a lot of thing have changed since time. The concept of 2 player for a campaign was strange for CC too, But there is a reason for the 2 players ( i even tested 2 observer per map ) beside multiplayer, its because the hero are really powerfull and i dont want to put all the power of those hero in 1 player, in fact by spliting them in 2 players, i "lower" their power. but those hero need some balancing anyway.

Edit: if i can find some support and technical help or even a team for my campaign i might start it again. But again, its SC , not SC2. If the campaign editor of sc2 look like the war3 one, man ill have a hard time O_o... the sc editor is perfect for me.

Yet again, this isnt really the sujet of the topic. and i will make a new topic for mine.

Edit again : i found the date of the Zip.. 2003.. lol

[Lavarinth]

We look for quality story and gameplay. Look at Life of a Marine.

[Mucky]

Duke is a man who live by the book . if it isn’t writed in a book then it’s impossible.
He live and die for the imperial Army. Seeking to become the right hand of the president he is willing to do his biding without question.

He is a man who believes than hitting something one time with an extraordinary force than multiple hit with a lesser force is better than nothing. “If you can’t hit someone and putting him down in 1 shoot, then you are a women “as he said.

Absolutely without fear and remorse. He don’t hesitate to kill men even if they done nothing to him. Rumour said than he has even killed a colonel who wanted to fire him from the army. He even took his rank and place in the army.

rofl

[Legion]

Please forgive the bad english but i was building my campaign alone, without help of anykind

Then I suggest you find somebody to help you. No offense, but if you write your story like this, I'm afraid you won't be taken seriously.

[chorale]

Please forgive the bad english but i was building my campaign alone, without help of anykind

Then I suggest you find somebody to help you. No offense, but if you write your story like this, I'm afraid you won't be taken seriously.

None taked i never learned the english tongue. All i know of that tongue is with internet. So of course ill be looking for someone to help me with the grammar.

[Lavarinth]

Duke is a man who live by the book . if it isn’t writed in a book then it’s impossible.
He live and die for the imperial Army. Seeking to become the right hand of the president he is willing to do his biding without question.

He is a man who believes than hitting something one time with an extraordinary force than multiple hit with a lesser force is better than nothing. “If you can’t hit someone and putting him down in 1 shoot, then you are a women “as he said.

Absolutely without fear and remorse. He don’t hesitate to kill men even if they done nothing to him. Rumour said than he has even killed a colonel who wanted to fire him from the army. He even took his rank and place in the army.

rofl

I hope that's not Edmund Duke.

[chorale]

Duke is a man who live by the book . if it isn’t writed in a book then it’s impossible.
He live and die for the imperial Army. Seeking to become the right hand of the president he is willing to do his biding without question.

He is a man who believes than hitting something one time with an extraordinary force than multiple hit with a lesser force is better than nothing. “If you can’t hit someone and putting him down in 1 shoot, then you are a women “as he said.

Absolutely without fear and remorse. He don’t hesitate to kill men even if they done nothing to him. Rumour said than he has even killed a colonel who wanted to fire him from the army. He even took his rank and place in the army.

rofl

I hope that's not Edmund Duke.

That's not the Edmund Duke of Starcraft. of course not, But someone who kinda have the same way of doing thing. The campaign is 300 year before Starcraft and doesnt take the starcraft story, even if some hero of starcraft are in the game ( Tassadar and Aldaris ) Since protoss live a very long life, it is possible, but is it ? no player will really know. my intention is to have a world of my own, where you feel you are almost In starcrat story, yet not exactly. Think of a side universe of what it could have been if what mensk said in the terran campaign about the confederacy breeding the zerg was true.

Well of course, in Starcraft Mensk was wrong, but what if in another universe the terran DID breed the Zerg and lose control of them ? The whole campaign is build on that possibility.

**** Spoiler of Act 1 part 1****

What if when the terran find out that they weren't alone in the universe after all ? what if they find out that they are dominated by the alien ? What if they needed to produce the ultimate weapon to defeat those alien ? and what if they lose control of the weapon ?

Will the protoss and terran ally vs the zerg like in starcraft ? or is there no alliance possible except war ?

**** End of Spoiler ****

Instead of doing a whole campaign with an idea coming of nowhere, i always hoped that blizzard will make an expansion and use the possibility of terran breeding the whole zerg, but they didnt. Even if it is clear that they thought about it in the terran campaign of Starcraft. Well, i took the idea and made Legacy of the Terran on that idea.

It may not be "the" original idea a lot of people wanted, but it is "the" idea noone exploited. So i will do it, and i will do it the best way i know, and this is not enough to make the campaign really good, that's why i need help and ask it here again. I dont want super-gameplay improvement, no i want to keep it simple, to focus on the story, not on the technical achievement. I want the player to FEEL like he is playing an alternate Starcraft and Broodwars ( broodwars only for the unit by the way ) of what Starcraft could have been. And to achieve that, we need to keep it simple.

I hope i answer some question people may have.