MAFIA VIIc - PROTOSS MAFIA ROUND 3: AIUR CITY

[Lavarinth]

You're accusing me as a Dark Templar because I have been an Observer the last two games? Then I accuse you of being a Dark Templar because you HAVE been a Dark Templar the past two games.

Accusing from previous games is ridiculous as stated in the last game, which is what people who have stuff to hide do to try to cover themselves up. I'm set with my theory, and to break the "trend" of waiting. I vote to lynch mAc,

[mAc Chaos]

lawlz, there's the Lavarinth I was looking for.  I wasn't accusing you, just raising the possibilities for people to think about.  I'd rather not lynch you just from that but if you're going to kneejerk a vote against me then I'd prefer not to die.   Or maybe you are a Dark Templar and this is just an attempt to try and get me now that you have a rather flimsy excuse.

Tip: that is true, but AA7 thought it was possible enough to throw out some accusations and he turned out to be innocent, so he wasn't doing it as a way to throw us off or anything.

Anyway, we should see if we can find any leads before everyone dogpiles each other.

Hmm... look what I found...

All the statements made against mAc are quite convincing I must say.. But then oopyman (murder) stated that we should target himself. A clue, or a blatant attempt to take us off track?

[Thalraxal]

The Laws of Probability are weak evidence, just like sigs.  Certainly, the chances of mAc and/or I being Dark Templar three rounds in a row is amazingly low, but it's possible.  But the same applies to Lav as well, I strongly doubt he's an Observer this round.  However, not being an Observer does not mean he's got to be a Dark Templar.

However, the "proof" against mAc so far has been a misunderstanding of intent between him and AA7 and sig evidence, so I'm not seeing either case (mAc as Dark Templar or Lav as Dark Templar) as being particularly strong right now.  Still, I'm alot more suspicious of Lav right now then I am of mAc.

@Lav: You wouldn't happen to have any stronger evidence against mAc, would you?  Because right now I found the case for him being innocent a whole lot stronger then the case for him being guilty.

[Aekenon]

mAc always has a lot to say.  Just because he's talking a lot and throwing out a lot of theories doesn't make him guilty.  In fact, I wish more people would be posting today.

This is a bigger game than usual, yet so far most of the accusations seem to be going against the "veteran" players.  I think the less familiar faces should be looked at too.  Of course, this is hard, because most of them are staying awfully quiet.  Could there be something to that?

[Murdermasterx]

making a final vote before any observers or anything get a chance to come out is pretty ridiculous. still got plenty of time to discuss things/wait for things to come out, i can't think of a single logical reason for someone to cast a final vote this early.

[Aekenon]

Well, it's Lav after all.

[Taeradun]

just a reminder that the law of averages does not exist and that if player roles are generated by a genuinely random method (I don't know if that's entirely how Milldawg does it though) then everyone has the same chance (NO LESS but also NO MORE) of getting the roles regardless of what roles they played in previous games

[Lavarinth]

My reasonings? We're losing people. And I can't sit here another day and let them fall. mAc, to me, simply strikes me as suspicious. The way he types, perhaps. Maybe his speeches. I just wont live with it anymore. Once again, I'm going with my gut feeling. My only hope would be that I was observed so someone would support me from being lynched for the obvious reason that I'm not one of them.

[me=Lavarinth]eyes mAc.[/me]

[CDLVII]

We don't have any observers revealed yet, seems like an unnecessary risk don't you think?

I believe a majority of the population is not really cooperating is because... ya know, a lack of clues.

[mAc Chaos]

Well... that is true, but, the way we usually expose people is through their voting.  If we don't start voting on people we won't be able to compare their records to others and find inconsistencies.  The Observers could be dead; we'd be waiting forever.

Lav is acting so obviously guilty that it almost makes me wonder if he's not doing it on purpose to make people think he couldn't possibly be a Dark Templar in his attempt to lynch me.  He's shown a recklessness that's going to get us killed.  Or maybe he actually is a Dark Templar and this is our chance to get him.

Maybe we should lynch him after all.

On another note, RCcola's been quiet.

Let's look at the dead people:
Ricky
Arcan
AA7
Mucky

What do these guys have in common, if anything?  If they're trying to frame someone, who would it be?

[Frozty]

Looking back, I can't see any real correlation between the deaths.  Whoever the Dark Templar may be, they surely have found a way to stump us...

[mAc Chaos]

That's why we need the voting.  It makes them have to start jumping through hoops to distance themselves from each other, etc.

Alright, looking at Lavarinth's previous responses, is there any way anyone sees the case against me looking "quite convincing"?  Because that's what he said.  I don't think anyone who actually read it without having some bias in favor of killing would think that so he must have just been saying that to lynch me.

[Lavarinth]

Even if you're not, you're too zealous and trying to drive the wheel of the bus, and that's simply all that drives suspicion towards you from me. If I'm wrong, so be it. All I can say is, I'm not one of them. Trust me, I'm not here to prove my innocence because I have nothing to hide.

[CDLVII]

we

I just noticed that mAc Chaos said we a lot. How considerate!

A part of me wonders if our only conclusive theories are taking the attention away from something we overlooked...

Since there are 4 observers, and one High Templar... (Hoping that the last few casualties were not any of them) there are too many to protect... and if they were to reveal themselves, it would make the choices of assassination more clear without a death.

Less guesswork for an intended target...? What would be a more worthy target than the High Templar?

That is... if mAc did have an alternative plan to reveal the Observers for such purpose. (mAc is pushing for the Observers a little hard)
Not only is he pushing for the Observers like an addict and his fix, but he's also pushing for the execution of more of our compatriots.

I will not agree to thinning our ranks. But I do recommend the Observers hurry their investigations of our peers, more directly I wish they'd conclude that the parties NOT engaged in any of the conversations be looked at and removed from the suspect list.

Something else I noticed was that the first few casualties were well known figures due to their presence of activity. Perhaps they were made targets simply because their names were more present or that they were more taken into small infighting which would be fish in a barrel in a situation like this. Someone was certainly taking advantage of this.

So we cannot resort to petty feuds, they've led to 4 deaths with the slightest hint of suspects being reduced to corpses.



What I would also actually like to see. The forensic conclusions of the bodies so far.
None of them would be a Dark Templar, obviously but if the Observers investigation is being hampered for the fact that one or more of their agents have been lost, there might be a more friendly time frame to work with.

Going back to an old post by mAc, perhaps we should reveal only ONE position of power. Not now but soon.
- This choice, with the evidence and opinions thus far, should make some form of information clear.
- If possible, this position should disclose as many suspects as possible and disclose the list of "innocents".
- Because the Dark Templars can only assassinate 2 per night, and disrupt none of the Arbiters successfully, this position will be protected to proceed (if it's abilities allow) to work openly with us to shorten the suspect list.

Funny thing is... if we were to reveal that one position, knowing that his life required protection. Would the Dark Templars assume that he was shielded constantly and continue butchering our brothers? We could say they'll assume that the position is under protection, leaving us with 2 completely free cloaks.

But of course... why leave the position so open to a bluff...
I miss Mucky. Can we Dragoonize him?

Dude. I need sleep.

[mAc Chaos]

Unless I'm mistaken, there are only two Observers.