MAFIA VIIb - PROTOSS MAFIA ROUND 2

[mAc Chaos]

Oh, right.  I forgot.  I was going by your last post where you said to lynch either Lav or Tipereth.

Although I suppose you could've figured he's dead in the water and tried to vote for him anyway to distance yourself.

Anyway, I don't think a double lynch is a good idea.  We've narrowed it down so much and the whole point of that was to avoid lynching someone innocent, and yet here that's exactly what we'd be doing.

[tipereth]

Tie the vote. Kill us both. Don't lynch me for nothing. I'll happily die if you guys have a plan to take out the other two DT (assuming Thal is one)

[mAc Chaos]

Wasn't your abstaining to prevent a tie?

Guess we'll see what happens.

Oh, and Mucky, we already went through this.  If I was a Dark Templar, when I voted I would've just voted for Lavarinth.  He had one vote already and Thal had two, yours and his.  Tipereth had a grand total of zero votes.  With me as a DT trying to save Thal, voting for Tipereth instead would be splitting our votes then and halving our power.  NICE.  Tipereth's behavior didn't become any less suspicious just because you thought of some new scenarios, Mucky.  You're going to be running around in circles forever like that, since there's always going to be SOMETHING to account for that might not be visible to us.  And there's never going to be any concrete, solid proof outside of our conjecture.  You've already changed your mind like 50 times. Tipereth is our man.  We don't want to give them an extra kill for free.

[Thalraxal]

Actually, if Taer is a Dark Templar, his best move would be to lynch me anyway.  They'd still be losing Tip and their 2-kill per night bonus, but 3 vs 2 is alot better than 4 vs 2.  So now we're in a position where if Taer is a Dark Templar, he can do the thing that benefits them the most and get away without revealing himself.  Great.

Taer: If you're not a Dark Templar, vote for Tip to save Yellowtown!  But if you do vote for the double-lynch, I understand.  As much as I might not like it, it is probably the safest bet and atleast I'll die knowing that I've atleast given you guys a chance at stopping the Dark Templar.

[tipereth]

Except, I'm not a Dark Templar. I have nothing to gain by lying at this point, since I die anyway. If Thal is a DT and isn't lynched alongside me, I'm pretty sure you guys lose the game right there.

[mAc Chaos]

Sure you do... there's other Dark Templar.  And if you're going to die anyway so we should believe you, well, you want Thal to die too so I guess we should believe him.  Looks like we're lynching two innocents!  Oops.

[mAc Chaos]

Am I the only one on the internet right now?   I guess everyone is watching the Phillies game.

[mAc Chaos]

Also, Yellowtown is not a Protoss name.  Way to go, Milldawg.

[Mucky]

True, Mac, there's a possibility that neither Thalraxal nor Tipereth are Dark Templar. But those chances are lower than simply Tipereth not being a Dark Templar, and considering the 2-kill advantage, a mistake like that will kill us for sure. If both are lynched and only one is a Dark Templar, that's better than nothing, and a win is still possible.

Lavarinth, if you're telling the truth about being an Observer, detect Mac tonight. Actually, it doesn't matter who you detect, but just detect Mac anyway. If you die, I will know, and I will be able to determine everyone's exact roles. Furthermore, anyone who is a Zealot would have no reason to fake being an Observer. Ergo, if you die and someone else claims to be an Observer, that person is a Dark Templar. If I die, you will learn Mac's role, and then you will be able to determine everyone's roles. They can't kill us both. Either way, one of us will know everything and the Dark Templar will be expunged.

That is, if Taeradun comes out now to tie the vote. Do your part, man.

[Thalraxal]

Except, I'm not a Dark Templar. I have nothing to gain by lying at this point, since I die anyway. If Thal is a DT and isn't lynched alongside me, I'm pretty sure you guys lose the game right there.

And I'm not a Dark Templar either.  Now, assuming that neither of us is lying right now, and that the Dark Templar have basically watched us all go about setting ourselves up to kill each other, Taer has the choice of making things worse, or making things not as bad.  Which means the only type of damage control he can do is making sure that only one of us dies.  Unfortunatly that means you, Tip.  If you are innocent, and I had the choice, I'd glady trade places with you at this point.  But I can't.  We're zealots, Tip, we're supposed to die for the greater good.

[Mucky]

Here's the bottom line. I don't know which side to trust at this point. Either Tipereth or Thalraxal. If Tipereth proves to be the incorrect choice, we lose. And he's going to die no matter what. I'm all for a 2-way lynch simply to cover our bases. I know I wanted to avoid lynching an innocent as much as the next guy, but I can't tell which one is innocent. I'd just like to know why you're so against the idea, Mac.

EDIT: Also, I'm not watching the Phillies game. Fuck sports. Fuck fat dudes ramming eachother.

[Aekenon]

I dunno.  I still believe Thal is innocent, but I can see why we would want to make sure.  He does have a lot of doubt cast upon him, after all... so as much as I would hate to sacrifice him, killing both is probably the most reasonable option.

Heck, if luck is with us, maybe they're both Dark Templar.  Har.

[ShadowFlare]

If we do lynch an innocent and not even 1 Dark Templar, we basically lose anyway, whether we lynched 1 or 2 innocents.  If we lynch at least 1 Dark Templar, the game is still on, even if we did lynch 1 innocent with him.

Do keep in mind that according to Mucky's information, it seems as if our Arbiter may have been killed the first night, so I don't think we can depend on someone being saved at all.

[Lavarinth]

It's either kill Thal and have a chance or kill anyone else and fail. Stop arguing. mAc's constant debates further reassures me he is a Dark Templar and I will state this:

If any Arbiters survive, they can protect me. I will investigate mAc, and then Mucky will see that, and it'll be clear whether or not he is... Or should I say.. We will prove he is.

Or, they could not protect me, have me die and further prove that mAc is one from fear of being targeted.

Either way, I am investigating mAc tonight, and Aek and the night after. So long as I live this long.

Either way, Mucky will see I investigated mAc if I die or not, and know I was an Observer.

Sending in investigation early. I guess we'll wait on Taer forever, but I have things to do.

[ShadowFlare]

^ Refer to Mucky's post with the information he has.  Either the Arbiter is already dead or chose not to cloak anyone last night (unlikely someone would choose to waste it).