MAFIA VIIb - PROTOSS MAFIA ROUND 2

[mAc Chaos]

Well I can't complain about that.

[Mucky]

I was almost certain that I had already lost the game for everyone by voting for Thalraxal. But things may still be salvaged, it seems.

As I've said before, Tipereth abstained on a day where we need to lynch someone to survive. If I were a Dark Templar, and I (I being a different "I" for this hypothesis) were wrong about Thalraxal being a Dark Templar and voting for him; I would either abstain, taking advantage of the fact that most of the Zealots have their eyes trained on an innocent person, or I would vote for Thalraxal, guaranteeing his execution.

Looking at things from a different light, Lavarinth went after Thalraxal instead of the obvious choice (Tipereth), and is now defending Tipereth. Why? Probably because Lavarinth is a Dark Templar, and Tipereth is an accomplice. Remember, if there's one thing that can be considered concrete evidence, it is voting behavior. Tipereth has made himself culpable for the reasons stated above. Lavarinth, for inciting the currently ensuing chaos by first voting for Thalraxal. I am aware that by my definitions, that would make me a likely Dark Templar as well.

I have no choice but to reveal this now. I am the High Templar. How can I prove this? I can't at this point, because all of the people who can verify my status are likely dead, or wouldn't want to anyway because they would endanger themselves (read: Arbiter). You have no reason to trust me. But there's nothing else I can do now.

On the first night, the following happened:

Frozty was detected (and killed).
ShadowFlare was detected.
Mucky was cloaked.

On the second night:

Thalraxal was detected.
Aekenon was detected.

I don't know the results of the investigations. One thing I can assure, though, is that ShadowFlare is likely to not be a Dark Templar. Both Observers were still alive on the first day, and if ShadowFlare were a Dark Templar, one of the Observers would've said something. The fact that they didn't suggests that ShadowFlare is clean.

On a list of suspects, right now I have the following:

Aekenon
Lavarinth
Mac Chaos
Mucky
ShadowFlare
Taeradun
Thalraxal
Tipereth

ShadowFlare is crossed off for reasons stated above. Being a subjective list and that I know myself to be innocent, I've crossed myself off. Thalraxal is still not 100% innocent; there is a 80% chance that he is now, but in any case I'm inclined to believe what he is saying.

Aekenon and Mac have been the most careful today. If I were wrong in my decision to vote for Thalraxal, they would've either voted for Thalraxal or abstained. Instead, Mac has voted for Tipereth, and Aekenon is still holding his vote. These people obviously care too much to be reckless, which leads me to believe that they're innocent. Cross the both of them off. That leaves Lavarinth, Tipereth, and Taeradun.

Taeradun has not said anything even after I've called him out for not saying anything. He is clearly inactive, but that in itself proves nothing. Besides that, there are no votes for him. Overlook him for today.

This is the current tally:

Aekenon - Undecided
Lavarinth - Thalraxal
Mac Chaos - Tip
Mucky - Thalraxal
ShadowFlare - Undecided
Taeradun - Undecided
Thalraxal - Lavarinth
Tipereth - Abstained

Decide amongst yourselves who to lynch. Lavarinth or Tipereth. Whatever you do, however, do not split your votes evenly. The third Dark Templar will come out and vote for Thalraxal, he alone will die, and we'll probably lose at that point. If I am to make a suggestion, vote for Tipereth.

[Aekenon]

I'm tryiong to rush voting because it's a game Aek. Defauolt the votes tio me then I don't care, or you, or no one, it's taking TOO long for something that had a deadline that even I got out of bed to discuss about. I said outside beyond the game world: it;s taking too long. That merans off the record. That means: don't use it against me. Get it? There we go. So default the votes to me if it makes you stop using it against me because that statement I made was for te sole reason of it's a game and there's rules. YOU said Sunday although you were still voting other days, making your excuse invalid either way considering you were around long enough to make a decision. That's you,. the others have no excuse. Sorry for the anger but 1: pills 2: I said don't use it against me. I might as well of used Milldawgs account and login and post that you three are farr tioo delayed in voting.

Two : I said two [may not have voted] not two [have not voted].. And if I didn't: that's the obvious thing one would think, is two [may not] have voted not two [have not]. So how many people have I named, Aek?Please count for me. God. I'm done for this discussion until you guys vote. Ridiculous with your delays.

Eh, since it is just a game, that's all the more reason to be lenient, I say.  And Milldawg said he was going to be relaxed about the deadline too, so I figured I'd be okay to take my time just like the rest, especially since today's activities are still pretty intense and hard to figure.  Sorry for upsetting you though.

Anyway, now that it's been requested by him that we hurry the heck up, I'll do my part.

Thalraxal.  No, I'm not voting for him.  I believe Thalraxal is innocent.  This may be an unpopular thing to say, but I think the arguments against him are fairly weak.  They just have the illusion of being strong because of how they were presented.  Now, it would bring me a certain amount of joy to see him burn for what his similarly-named brother did back in Eridun, but I don't think that would be right... because he's nowhere close to the same person.  The Thalraxal of Eridun was sly and cautious, always waiting until the end to vote.  This one obviously isn't acting like that... suggesting that he has a different occupation.

Then do I vote Lav?  Nope, he's also innocent.  "Aekenon you've gone nuts!" you say?  Well, I never.  I indeed had suspicions about Lav, but the manner of his responses to my admittedly harsh posts dispelled my doubts about his innocence.  Instead of worming his way out of my accusations, he faced them head on with confidence, as any innocent person should do.  We may disagree strongly on the Thalraxal issue, but you're no Dark Templar, in my opinion.  You're just a little zealous, AA7-style!  <3

"Aekenon!  Just get on with it already!"  Fine fine... Tipereth it is.  Not only has he been inconsistent with... himself, but his actions are definitely dangerous.  First, he says we should lynch Lavarinth "even if he's on our side"... which is just... what?  Next, after things heat up, he mysteriously abstains.  In our situation, there's simply no advantage to this.  He still says that Thal should go, but he just doesn't want it to be by his hand.  That was baffling enough, but after I responded to him all appalled-like and questioned his decision, he then said his vote probably would have been for Lav, which kinda contradicts what he said just two posts earlier about Thal needing to go.  Of course, he added a 'WHOOPS, TOO LATE TO CHANGE MY VOTE NOW' for good measure.  Later on he says "Abstaining means SOMEONE will be lynched."  Which... doesn't really mean anything as far as I'm concerned.  While everyone else's actions can arguably be viewed as productive, Tipereth seems to be casually trying to undermine us.  Therefore, I think he should go.  Again, that's Aekenon voting Tipereth to death!

Ho hum.  Was this a little much?


EDIT: Oh hi giant Mucky post.

[tipereth]

I baited Lavarinth early on, and he refused to bite. In fact, I accused him with absolutely no evidence, and he failed to even refute that. Why? Did he think that an attempt to defend himself would draw unneeded attention, as it did for Thal? I find this far more suspicious than anything else anyone else has said or done, and admit that I may have abstained hastily.

EDIT: Sup Aek's post. Dude, there was a big deal in the last thread about Lav making a boldfaced vote and then throwing a hissyfit when he couldn't change it. Rules of the game, man. You're twisting my words and finding implications where none were made. You'll damn us all if you keep that up.

he then said his vote probably would have been for Lav, which kinda contradicts what he said just two posts earlier about Thal needing to go.

Someone should be lynched, maybe Thal

Please. Thal needing to go? That was straight speculation on my part, much like everything else everyone has brought forward.

Of course, he added a 'WHOOPS, TOO LATE TO CHANGE MY VOTE NOW' for good measure.

My vote would be for Lav, but I have no reason to believe that he is a Dark Templar beyond his strange lack of retaliation to my initial accusation. Regardless, boldfaced votes are final.

Yeah, I really threw that in there for good measure, it's not like it was in context or anything.

Which... doesn't really mean anything as far as I'm concerned.

Then why even bring it up? You're grasping at straws to paint a picture of me that agrees with Mucky's verdict of guilty.

[ShadowFlare]

lol, I suppose we should just get over with the voting, so I guess I'll go with Aekenon and vote Tipereth.  I hope I'm not wrong.

[tipereth]

Welp now we're fucked. Grats Mucky.

EDIT: Well, since I'm essentially dead at this point unless Taer for whatever reason wants to force a tie, I would implore the survivors of the night's murders to look into Lav and Aek. Mucky wont be killed, his information is just as valuable to the Dark Templar as it is to the rest of us, so good luck with all that.

[Aekenon]

You're grasping at straws to paint a picture of me that agrees with Mucky's verdict of guilty.

For the record, Mucky's post has nothing to do with how I came up with my conclusions.  He made his message while I was making mine, it seems.  So... yeah, that's two people decisively coming up with your name from completely unique directions and deductive styles.


EDIT: Aah!  Another post!

Hey cool, my name was brought up as a potential suspect.  Finally I'm fitting in~!

[Milldawg]

shadow votes TIP
aek votes TIP
mac votes TIP
mucky votes THAL
thal votes LAV
lav votes THAL
tip ABSTAINS

OK SO
Currently 3 votes for Tipereth, 2 votes for Thalraxal, 1 vote for Lavarinth, and 1 abstain. According to the rules of the previous game, which have not been changed, a tie results in both players dying. So Tipereth is fucked no matter what. But it will be up to Taeradun to decide whether Thalraxal dies with him. I IMed Taeradun and told him to vote but he didn't respond. He may be dead. I'll give him a little more time.

[Lavarinth]

You guys are dumb. This city is over. I am the Observer. Thalraxal is a Dark Templar, Shadowflare is a Zealot. Certain mAc is another, the tjhird I am unsure unless Aek.

I expect to die tonight, so it'll be a cold day in HELL for you all!

[mAc Chaos]

Why didn't you say anything when we were all calling for observers...?  If that's true.

You could just be a Dark Templar trying to get in a free kill while you can...

[Lavarinth]

Why didn't you say anything when we were all calling for observers...?  If that's true.

You could just be a Dark Templar trying to get in a free kill while you can...

Why? Because that's stupid mAc, and you know that. Stating who I am only causes trouble. No one believes you. Obviously the other didn't either. So don't push your "why didn't you say you were earlier" bs on me.

So stop trying to title me a Dark Templar because you're wasting your time.

[mAc Chaos]

But you just did that now...

[Mucky]

Why? Because that's stupid mAc, and you know that. Stating who I am only causes trouble. No one believes you. Obviously the other didn't either. So don't push your "why didn't you say you were earlier" bs on me.

So stop trying to title me a Dark Templar because you're wasting your time.

I would've been able to confirm that you were telling the truth if you came out earlier.

I was fine about going for Thalraxal right until Tipereth abstained. When that happened, I went into a whirlpool of confusion and doubt, thinking that Lavarinth and Tipereth were Dark Templar. When I was considering Aekenon and Mac's innocence, I mysteriously looked over the possibility that if I were right about going for Thalraxal, of course the two of them would be reluctant to vote for Thalraxal, and instead go for Tipereth. How silly of me to miss that. Now that ShadowFlare has voted for Tipereth, I think I actually did mess things up this time. That is, Lavarinth, if you're actually telling the truth. Now that I've revealed the people who were targeted for observation, you could just be taking what I said and using it for yourself.

Yes, I did realize that Thalraxal was investigated on the second night and that you voted for him out of the blue. But considering how long this day has been, and that no one has revealed their roles after so long, I came to the conclusion that Negi and Ricky were the Observers and they were killed on the second night. My lead was a dead end.

I can't decide who is right anymore. Taeradun, if you read this, and if you're not a Dark Templar, vote for Thalraxal. Between Tipereth and Thalraxal, ONE of these people is a Dark Templar for sure. If both die, the game will become 2 DT vs. 4 non-DT. They will kill one at night, bringing it to 2 vs. 3. If Lavarinth is telling the truth, Aekenon and Mac are the Dark Templar, all we'll need to do from there is focus on voting one of the two on the next day, and so on and so forth. We can still win this if you tie the vote between Tipereth and Thalraxal.

[mAc Chaos]

Well, I could be a Dark Templar, but so could you.  I mean, if you were a DT you wouldn't want us to vote for Thal either and you didn't.  I don't see what that proves.  Anyone who's a DT wouldn't want us to vote for a fellow DT.  Just the same, if Tipereth is a DT then Lav here or someone else would be trying saving him like he is, and so far we were settling on this.

I actually thought of suggesting going for a 2-for-1 since Thal has 2 and Tip had 2 before Aekenon voted.  But I'm pretty sure it's Tip so I didn't.  If we're sure we can kill a DT without giving them a free shot, since it would be the same as if they killed two at night.  If they're going to lose a DT then their last hope  is to try and kill as many extra people as possible going down with him to try and equalize the numbers more.  And then there's the possiblity that neither are DTs, win which case we lose the game.

[Mucky]

I did vote for Thalraxal. Hello? Why would I bank on one of my own comrades getting lynched when it removes the 2-kill advantage and potentially cost the game?

But that's also why I'm asking Taeradun to tie the vote with Thalraxal and Tipereth. I know myself to be innocent, and the fact that you are coming at me like this only confirms my suspicions of you.