Wanderers of Sorceria Dedicated Update Thread

[Blake]

I was just checking the cast page and I noticed that Dalles is described as being the 17th dragon slayer, however I can only count 13 other dragon slayers. (Garm, Sutur, Nargul, Xevious, Clench, Gorbash, Kevin, Tessai, Razlia, Nara, Ebon, Metallus, and Miyuki.) Did I miss someone or are there 3 more dragon slayers that are yet to be revealed?

[RazorclawX]

I was just checking the cast page and I noticed that Dalles is described as being the 17th dragon slayer, however I can only count 13 other dragon slayers. (Garm, Sutur, Nargul, Xevious, Clench, Gorbash, Kevin, Tessai, Razlia, Nara, Ebon, Metallus, and Miyuki.) Did I miss someone or are there 3 more dragon slayers that are yet to be revealed?

1. Dallas the Chaos Emissary
2. Metallus the Shining Blade
3. Razlia the Twinflame
4. Jenna the Pure
5. Nara the Shadowpath
6. Nargul the Puppetmaster
7. Clench the Cogmaster
8. Gorbash the Eternal
9. Ebon the Crimson Flame
10. Miyuki the Child
11. Tessai the Great Mountain
12. Xevious the Bright
13. Surtur the Dynamite
14. Garm the Sniper
15. Sorana the Seducer
16. Hikaru the Zealous (Copy Hikaru; he is never called 'Zealous' in-game)
17. Kasumi the Red Haze (Kevin)


Not in order, of course. Jenna is only a Dragon Slayer by virtue of the fact that she and Razlia share the same body (and it's also the form by which Kasumi recognizes him).

Dallas is technically the 'first' Dragon Slayer, but his official ranking is seventeen being that he's the last one encountered.

For the most part the Dragon Slayers are patterened after the traditions of such anime as Trigun and Rurouni Kenshin (among others) with a group of extraordinary villains (giving them a rank and title is more or less taken from the Gung-Ho Guns)-- except of course, since the band is something of a parody, over half of the Dragon Slayers are fairly weak and stupid (Miyuki in particular exemplefies this idea). Razlia and Jenna being the same person is also an idea taken from one of the Gung-Ho Guns in the Trigun manga.

The reason there's 17 of them goes back to an old fanfic I wrote with a band of 17 villains that didn't really get along with each other (IIRC I think half of them killed each other).

Surtur and Clench were the last ones I created; they were sort of wild cards and both came about fairly late in the process of making Book 4 (Surtur was mainly around because I felt I needed to give a better motive for Garm). Ebon wasn't originally appearing in Book 2, but when I redid the campaign to comply with TFT I added her in because I was going to use her later on. The same with Nara, although I messed-up early on and neglected to give her a title (she actually didn't have a proper name and used a generic NPC name at the time).

Sorana and Hikaru were both 'created' at the Tower of the Gods in Book 2 and were recruited by Nara while she served under Queen Arcadia. As they are fairly incomplete 'copies', they take some of the worst traits of their 'originals' and personify it-- Sorana being Shizuka's latent sex drive (which is to say, she is incredibly shallow and she wants to go at it like rabbits, yet the upshot is nobody wants her), and Copy Hikaru being the blindly fanatical knight in shining armor (that is it say, the copy is actually very stupid, Prince Charming from Shrek 2 stupid). Both are driven to 'surpass' their 'originals' and fail spectacularly at it because they aren't complete-- joining the Dragon Slayers puts them in a position where they can oppose them.

[SantaBla]

how was sorana and the copy of hikaru created? sorry if i sound stupid, but i didn't really understand what happened to kosseimaru, kanna mizuki, miranda tanya etc at the end of book 2. Why did they disappear? Purgatory was trying to get rid of them?

[RazorclawX]

sorry if i sound stupid, but i didn't really understand what happened to kosseimaru, kanna mizuki, miranda tanya etc at the end of book 2. Why did they disappear? Purgatory was trying to get rid of them?

Purgatory had no further use for them. Arcadia was the one that brought them to the world, so when she went everything she brought in left with her. In the grand scheme of things Arcadia was a means to an end, and she failed.

The whole purpose of Arcadia (as far as Purgatory is concerned) was to keep Shizuka occupied enough that she would never seek the Lost City (it failed, obviously). The Legion, however, used that opportunity to raise a demon army. Nargul the Puppetmaster 'suggested' the revival of several demon lords that are seen throughout Books 1 and 2, as Arcadia controlled a Cauldron (Nargul could not manipulate the Cauldron energies himself which is why he needed Arcadia to do it for him). Of course it didn't work ENTIRELY as they wanted considering they ended up with a net loss on the whole affair (of the revived demon lords only Kazgaroth is still alive, and he swore allegience to Emperor Radik, who does not serve the Legion).

When Arcadia failed Purgatory sent the Dragon Slayers out to kill Shizuka (Count Zule sent out his assassins mostly to get Ziel's sword; encountering Shizuka was a coincidence. While Zule is not a member of the Dragon Slayers, he IS affiliated with Dalles). Purgatory largely doesn't care what Hikaru does, but is wary of his possibly siding with her-- the Dragon Slayers are freely allowed to kill him, but won't go out of their way to do it.

Dalles is the Lord of the Chaos Legion. He gave Count Zule a tome with which to learn how to use the Chaos Legion himself, and in turn, Zule taught Kurumi (and the rest of the Kagaro Ninja Team, but Kurumi has the strongest aptitude) how to use the Chaos Legion. Note all the characters that have summoned the Chaos Legion sport the same tattoos.

[AjaAja]

Yeah, I structured Book 5 so it COULD be the end if for some reason I never put out Book 6. Almost everything is resolved by then save for a few hanging threads.

Sorana is a 'hidden' character in Book 6 (more or less, as it's not actually difficult to get her), and she's essentially a joke character-- her only goal is to get sex. She is, after all, a manifestation of Shizuka's repressed sex drive. Too bad most of the things in there are anatomically-incorrect.

Well, I'm glad and grateful that you decided to make a Book 6.

I feel bad for Sorana even if she's suppose to be a joke character.

I've always wondered if we'll ever get to see this Radik I hear so much about... we got to play as the Zande leader, but we've never even seen Radik.

Is Surtur still a Dragon Slayer? Because it seemed like he quit on them.

how was sorana and the copy of hikaru created? sorry if i sound stupid, but i didn't really understand what happened to kosseimaru, kanna mizuki, miranda tanya etc at the end of book 2. Why did they disappear? Purgatory was trying to get rid of them?

Sorana was created in Book 2 but she doesn't use that name until Book 4. It's in the mission where Hikaru is imprisoned and Shizu rescues him, but then the real Shizu comes. After you defeat Shyron (Shizu's temporary Zande adoptive mother) at the end of the level, she explains that Queen Arcadia created "copy Shizu" based on Shyron's memories as a reward for her services. She also says that Queen Arcadia created copy of Hikaru. In the beginning of Book 4, "copy Shizu" says that she's adopted the name "Sorana" (I think it's Shyron's mother's name) in order to distinguish herself from Shizu.

In Book 2, the reason Kosseimaru et al. wanted to defeat Queen Arcadia in order to get released from Purgatory; so essentially, the guys who disappeared at the end were successful in their mission. Basically, from what I understand, Queen Arcadia is the one who brought them into Purgatory in the first place. It's kind of like Purgatory is a dream world type prison, and Queen Arcadia/Sarah basically kidnapped them while they were sleeping and brought them into the dream world prison. Obviously, they didn't want to be there, and the only way to escape was to defeat Queen Arcadia. Once they defeated Arcadia, that forced Sarah to wake-up in real life, thereby releasing her hold on all the souls she kidnapped into Purgatory; so when their souls are released, they get to wake-up in the real world. This is also the reason Shizu and Ziel are angry at the end of Book 2: because they weren't released from Purgatory (because Sarah wasn't the one who brought them there). Because Sarah was just a pawn for the guys in charge of Purgatory, it really means that they wanted to keep them in Purgatory, seeing as she could've just released their souls - as for Shizu, Purgatory keeps trying to get rid of her because she causes too much trouble for the guys in charge.

[RazorclawX]

I've always wondered if we'll ever get to see this Radik I hear so much about... we got to play as the Zande leader, but we've never even seen Radik.

Is Surtur still a Dragon Slayer? Because it seemed like he quit on them.

Radik doesn't have a real place in the story. He was intentionally made faceless.

Surtur is still considered a Dragon Slayer. Well, he WAS, until he was ironically killed by the Dragon Sword.

What makes the Sorcerians special is they brought themselves into Purgatory's world. The more aware they are of the dream, the more power they can exert on the world. The danger being, if they use too much power, they will break their own dream and wake-up of their own accord. The other main way to get rid of a Sorcerian is to kill them (which pretty much guarantees the dreamer is going to wake-up)-- and considering how many times the Dragon Slayers, etc. have successfully 'killed' Shizuka, that option doesn't appear to be available to them. In addition to the fact that Shizu doesn't seem to be flagrantly using her abilities (the ones that don't are typically the most successful in any case) Purgatory is in panic mode as to what to do to get rid of her (Purgatory no longer has the luxury of waiting for Shizuka to wake-up of her own accord).

Of course, some of the Sorcerians are probably more powerful than they realize. Shizuka managed to get rid of Ziel by herself (although it wasn't on purpose).

[Blake]

Dalles is the Lord of the Chaos Legion. He gave Count Zule a tome with which to learn how to use the Chaos Legion himself, and in turn, Zule taught Kurumi (and the rest of the Kagaro Ninja Team, but Kurumi has the strongest aptitude) how to use the Chaos Legion. Note all the characters that have summoned the Chaos Legion sport the same tattoos.

I was just checking some triggers in the wc3 editor, and noticed that at first in the Puppetmaster mission in book 4 Nargul states:

"You don't remember on purpose. Three years ago I gave Count Zule a book, and instructed him to use it in return of a favor. We knew that the dragon would eventually come your way; it was foretold to us! Kurumi, the ninja designated 'Seiryu,' you are one of us."

Then in the epilogue mission of book 4 Kevin, if given a second chance states:

"Of course not. My superior, Razlia, gave Zule the Book of the Chaos Legion just so he could screen the Dragon Slayers against a buffer. This buffer was, of course, another group of Sorcerians. This is not an accident; Razlia wants this to happen by design."

If it was Dalles who gave the book to Count Zule, then why is it claimed that Nargul or Razlia was the person that did so...

[RazorclawX]

In Nargul's case, he's mindfucking Kurumi. He recognizes how powerful she is and is using her self-doubt against her. Kurumi receiving access to the Chaos Sentinel Ultimate is the point where she gains confidence in herself, and where Nargul can no longer mindfuck her (remember, up to that point Kurumi couldn't summon it when she clearly could before she joined Shizuka).

In Kevin's case, he thinks Razlia is the leader of the Dragon Slayers; he consequently doesn't know Dalles. There's a quality difference between the Dragon Slayers that Razlia recruited and which Dalles recruited, as the two are enemies within their own organization (although Dalles is unaware of this until Razlia made his move). The rough factioning follows (this is also listed as a note in one of the Book 5 maps):

Dalles' Slayers:

Dalles the Chaos Emissary
Metallus the Shining Blade
Garm the Sniper
Surtur the Dynamite
Miyuki the Child
Tessai the Great Mountain
Ebon the Crimson Flame
Xevious the Bright

Razlia's Slayers:

Razlia the Twinflame (the Metal Demon)
Clench the Cogmaster
Gorbash the Eternal
Nara the Shadowpath
Hikaru the Zealous (aka Copy Hikaru)
Sorana the Seducer (aka Copy Shizuka)
Nargul the Puppetmaster
Kasumi the Red Haze (aka Kevin)
Jenna the Pure


As of note, Clench (and Gorbash, consequently) were originally a part of Dalles's faction, but Clench's burning desire to create the Ultimate Golem pushed him to use Razlia cells in Gorbash (and he himself also has Razlia cells)-- whether out of ignorance or lack of care. His obsession leads to his downfall.

Jenna, as above, isn't a Dragon Slayer by choice, but rather as a consequence of being heavily infected with Razlia cells after their final battle.

Copy Hikaru and Sorana are technically only part of this faction because of Nara; they are otherwise unaffiliated with Razlia himself.

Nargul was also recruited by Dalles, but does not share the ideals of the Dragon Slayers, and instead pushes the agenda of the Burning Legion first. His position among the Dragon Slayers was more of a political move to get Duke Shivak to cooperate with Purgatory.

In general, the Dalles faction is more fixated on preventing the Age of Chaos (although the fact is, the Age of Chaos already came) and the Razlia faction is more self-serving. The all-encompassing directive of preventing the Age of Chaos generally means they need to kill the ones touched by Sagila: Shizuka, Hikaru, Kurumi, Yue Fang, Scaldar, and Kuth'kullen (although in general they don't go after Hikaru or Kurumi as they are the 'least' threatening to their agenda; for the most part they're fixated on killing Shizuka).

[Blake]

I don't remember Sutur being killed, are you supposed to reject kevin for that to occur or did I miss something, or is that yet to happen?

Also is it ever revealed in book 1-5 that Nargul was manipulating Arcadia?

[RazorclawX]

I don't remember Sutur being killed, are you supposed to reject kevin for that to occur or did I miss something, or is that yet to happen?

Surtur gets plastered by Yue Fang toward the end of Book 5 when she's defending the gate of the city.

Also is it ever revealed in book 1-5 that Nargul was manipulating Arcadia?

No, it isn't. Duke Shivak reveals this in Book 6.

[Spiderking]

Speaking of Yue Fang will she still have the all the uberness of when we last saw her?

[RazorclawX]

She'll have the shockwave ultimate, but her stats are normalized (as are Scaldar's). The truth of the matter is, Ressurection is fairly useless with a lack of troops.

[Blake]

Looks like book 6 is gonna have a lot of bosses.

From what I gather:

Lord Darm
Dalles the Chaos Emissary
Duke Shivak
Nara the Shadowpath
Razlia the Twinflame
Metallus the Shining Blade

and probably a few more...

[RazorclawX]

Currently there's 18 bosses, but at least one of them is candidate to be cut because it's unnecessary and stupid. The majority of them are 'lore' bosses. Although there's that many bosses, you pretty much fight only 6-8 of them per play depending on certain conditions.

As things go, if you've played Keys of Sealing, you should have a good idea of what Duke Shivak does. He's fairly simple but no less deadly-- currently he's just like the Spirit of Destruction.

Another boss takes inspiration from World of Warcraft, and I'm really satisfied with how it turned out.

[Lavarinth]

Still keeping the same voices? Ooh that Hikaru.