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I couldn't believe it when I heard it. The day the music died again. I've seen him once, but anyone will tell you his shows were amazing. Loved his music, and like Lav, didn't care about the lawsuits.omega20 wrote: Though in his last years he has been surrounded by polemic, he was a great artist. And I believe we must not remember him 'cause of his last and maybe a bit excentric actions, but 'cause of his great contributions to modern music. The world will miss the famous -until the end- King of the Pop.
I wonder, if Hitler made great music like MJ, if people would say, "love Hitlers music, didn't care about the whole Jew thing. Great artist."BadManners! wrote: I couldn't believe it when I heard it. The day the music died again. I've seen him once, but anyone will tell you his shows were amazing. Loved his music, and like Lav, didn't care about the lawsuits.
Perspective is what kills your metaphor.Desler wrote:I wonder, if Hitler made great music like MJ, if people would say, "love Hitlers music, didn't care about the whole Jew thing. Great artist."BadManners! wrote: I couldn't believe it when I heard it. The day the music died again. I've seen him once, but anyone will tell you his shows were amazing. Loved his music, and like Lav, didn't care about the lawsuits.
No, I'm not comparing MJ to Hitler, it's a relevant metaphor though.
Greatest music video too, ha.Laconius wrote: One word:
Thriller
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people are always gonna be trying to wreck things like this, trying to poke holes into people's opinions / feelings just for the hell of it (or in attempt to convince them they are wrong). 'If Hitler', come on. At least find a different villain because I've heard that one. I know Desler said he didn't compare Hitler to MJ, but he did (a metaphor being a comparison) and in that respect, no, I don't think he has a point. You used a Megadeth comparison, but he didn't do that. Perspective...Mucky wrote: I think Desler has a point though. I mean, are you saying that if there were incontrovertible evidence that MJ molested a bunch of kids, you would stop listening to his music? I think people are perfectly capable of enjoying music regardless of the baggage of the artist. If you don't like a certain type of music, it definitely isn't because of the kind of people that created that music.
"Hey, what are you listening to?"
"Megadeth."
"Agh! I hate Megadeth. Can't stand the vocals, and Risk just sucked."
versus
"Hey, what are you listening to?"
"Megadeth."
" I would never listen to Megadeth. Did you know that Dave Mustaine kicked James Hetfield's dog when he was still in Metallica?"
Easy there Sparky. It's just an extension of an observation I made yesterday to a friend. If there was actual video, aka, undeniable proof of MJ molesting children, and everyone was forced to watch that immoral act, people would realize the terrible nature of such an act and would then be severely unlikely to sing the virtues of this man after their passing. It's human nature to just brush off an allegation like "he molested a child", because we don't want to think about something like that, thus we never fully comprehend the scope of the actual crime. It's the same thing with people dying in Africa who could be saved with just a little effort, and yet someone in the US is about to die and everyone pulls out all the stops to try to save their life. It's human nature that we never fully comprehend the scope of what is happening around us.BadManners! wrote: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people are always gonna be trying to wreck things like this, trying to poke holes into people's opinions / feelings just for the hell of it (or in attempt to convince them they are wrong). 'If Hitler', come on. At least find a different villain because I've heard that one. I know Desler said he didn't compare Hitler to MJ, but he did (a metaphor being a comparison) and in that respect, no, I don't think he has a point. You used a Megadeth comparison, but he didn't do that. Perspective...
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To answer your question, Mucky. With evidence I meant that if there was incontrovertible evidence that MJ did what they said he did, it would obviously affect my opinion of him but not his music. I'd dislike the person. With perspective I meant there's a difference between what MJ allegedly did and what Hitler did. Therefore, I wholeheartedly agree with you (except in Hitler's case if he were an artist too!)
Human nature can take things like unproven child molestation because they are unproven. I'm not sure that people would brush it off it there were undeniable proof.Desler wrote:Easy there Sparky. It's just an extension of an observation I made yesterday to a friend. If there was actual video, aka, undeniable proof of MJ molesting children, and everyone was forced to watch that immoral act, people would realize the terrible nature of such an act and would then be severely unlikely to sing the virtues of this man after their passing. It's human nature to just brush off an allegation like "he molested a child", because we don't want to think about something like that, thus we never fully comprehend the scope of the actual crime. It's the same thing with people dying in Africa who could be saved with just a little effort, and yet someone in the US is about to die and everyone pulls out all the stops to try to save their life. It's human nature that we never fully comprehend the scope of what is happening around us.BadManners! wrote: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people are always gonna be trying to wreck things like this, trying to poke holes into people's opinions / feelings just for the hell of it (or in attempt to convince them they are wrong). 'If Hitler', come on. At least find a different villain because I've heard that one. I know Desler said he didn't compare Hitler to MJ, but he did (a metaphor being a comparison) and in that respect, no, I don't think he has a point. You used a Megadeth comparison, but he didn't do that. Perspective...
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To answer your question, Mucky. With evidence I meant that if there was incontrovertible evidence that MJ did what they said he did, it would obviously affect my opinion of him but not his music. I'd dislike the person. With perspective I meant there's a difference between what MJ allegedly did and what Hitler did. Therefore, I wholeheartedly agree with you (except in Hitler's case if he were an artist too!)
To put it more reasonably and without using the tired cliche of Hitler: OJ was a great football player, but everyone believed he was guilty of a terrible crime. Do you think anyone will salute OJ's contributions to football when he dies, despite being a great player? Threads like this are intended to 'honor' the memory, but are they really worthy of such reverie and respect?
Don't take it personally though, my observations aren't meant to be a critique on MJ or your adoration of his accomplishments, but rather a critique on human nature.