MAFIA VIIb - PROTOSS MAFIA ROUND 2

[mAc Chaos]

I'd like to hear Mucky's take on this.

[Thalraxal]

I think that Tipereth is more suspicious than Lavarinth.

Which is why his accusation to lynch me only makes Thalraxal an obvious Dark Templar. For someone he immediatley defended me from Tip, I like how you 360'd the moment I brought suspicion to your doorstep. You're no Zealot, you don't even have a good story and you write PARAGRAPHS of attempts to be innocent- That's guilt right there.

I defended you before you tried to lynch me.  Voting to lynch someone tends to change their opinion of you fairly quickly.  So while, yes, it was a reversal of my previous position I think it's a fairly logical one and not the proof of evil you seem to take it as.

In fact, if I was a Dark Templar, why would I defend you from Tip at all?

And if writing in PARAGRAPHS means you're a Dark Templar, does that mean that Robert Frazier is always guilty?

[Mucky]

Earlier, I argued this:

We may have been too hasty in voting for a no lynch. While I agreed with the sentiment, I didn't bold my vote (the tally proves it). We discussed so little during the first day, and it gave the Dark Templar an opportunity to vote to achieve a majority so that we'd call it a day.

To go further into detail, I believe that our discussion yesterday was inadequate. Seven people casted their votes for no lynching while exercising little caution. I believe that the Dark Templar saw an opportunity to accelerate the daytime into night by voting to achieve a majority for no lynching. Considering the tally, it took seven votes before it won by default.

What I am implying is that the Dark Templar are among the people who voted for no lynching. Let's take a look at yesterday's exact tally.

Aekenon - No lynch
Mac Chaos - No lynch
Negi - No lynch
Ricky - No lynch
ShadowFlare - No lynch
Taeradun - No lynch
Tipereth - No lynch
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Lavarinth - Undecided
Mucky - Undecided
Thalraxal - Undecided

Negi and Ricky having been killed, their names are crossed out. Now, to ascertain, if Negi and Ricky voted in a way that would benefit the Dark Templar, why were they killed? My guess is that the Dark Templar assumed that we would not vote in a way that could easily be manipulated (which is exactly what's happening now), therefore they could not pinpoint anyone in particular as a target.

Does this suggest that all three Dark Templar voted for no lynching? Certainly not. I don't think that any of them foresaw the arguments that I'm presenting now. What I've deducted so far doesn't even allow me to name a particular person who voted to lynch no one. Well, actually it does: Taeradun.

Taeradun has been quiet this entire time. The only time he came out was to vote for no lynching. In fact, it seems that many people have forgotten about him, which leads me to believe that this is his intention. It could be that he has little time to provide input, or that he simply has nothing to say. However, if he is truly a Zealot, I find his behavior to be irresponsible. Of all the people that voted not to lynch anyone, Taeradun stands out the most to me as a suspect.

I'm not finished yet. I can't ignore what has happened between Lavarinth and Thalraxal, the two people aside from myself who did not cast a vote. Looking at today's current tally:

Lavarinth voted for Thalraxal.
Thalraxal voted for Lavarinth.
Aekenon is not voting today.
There are five undecided.

Lavarinth's reasoning for his vote is based purely on gut feeling; he stated this himself. Lavarinth claims that Thalraxal is attempting to shift the blame off from himself by accusing others, namely Tipereth. The problem with this argument is that it could be made for just about anybody. I could say I'm writing this post right now simply because I want to avoid being accused.

Thalraxal isn't anymore convincing in his decision to vote for Lavarinth. Indeed, he provided facts for... four people. Why did he leave out the other four; namely Mac, Aekenon, Taeradun, and myself? To narrow down using a list where half of the people are arbitrarily left out is about the same as to randomly accuse a person, which is what Lavarinth had done. In fact, I am construing that Thalraxal voted for Lavarinth out of retaliation. Additionally, if this is true, it would justify Lavarinth's logic that Thalraxal is trying to shift the blame from himself.

I made a comparison involving Thalraxal before. If I were keeping count, Thalraxal would have two strikes as opposed to Tipereth and Lavarinth having just one. Actually, I believe that Lavarinth is not a Dark Templar. According to Thalraxal, he defended ShadowFlare. Going through what Lavarinth has said, he simply made an objection that people should not make accusations based on previous games. If this qualifies as "defending ShadowFlare", I am guilty as well, because quite frankly I think it's a stupid thing to do. I have not ruled out Tipereth as a possibility yet, but we only need to lynch one Dark Templar this evening. Taeradun and Thalraxal are the two most suspicious figures right now.

TL;DR My two prime suspects are Taeradun and Thalraxal.

[Thalraxal]

The reason I didn't include you, Taer, Aek and mAc on my list was because no one accused you guys at that point in time.  I was just listing people who had been accused at that point in time, and the arguments and accusations against each one.  I guess I should have made that clearer.

Well, I guess my goose is cooked at that point.  Wish I was a Dark Templar, right now would be the perfect oppurtunity for a villain's rant

[Lavarinth]

But- You are. You're just stating that as a last attempt to stop people from voting for you. The kills lowered to one (likely me) the upcoming night will prove this was true.

You may as well post your rant now, Thalraxal.

Like Mucky said, you voted for me out of retaliation. If I believed you, I would of voted for Tipereth but your accusations are simply too random and you are far too two faced.

And as stated by Mucky, I never defended anyone, aside myself. But accussing too many at once will only cause more issues, focus on the prime suspect: You; and we will move forward faster.

[Mucky]

The reason I didn't include you, Taer, Aek and mAc on my list was because no one accused you guys at that point in time.  I was just listing people who had been accused at that point in time, and the arguments and accusations against each one.  I guess I should have made that clearer.

This does not take away from the fact that you used the list of four people to define a single suspect. Because only those four had been accused at that point, that means that the other four can't possibly be Dark Templar?

Thalraxal, your reasoning has been inconsistent and your voting decision has been irresponsible. I've given you the opportunity to talk your way out the corner you have painted yourself in, but you have done so only pathetically. By your words, may your goose be cooked. I vote to lynch Thalraxal.

[Thalraxal]

The reason I didn't include you, Taer, Aek and mAc on my list was because no one accused you guys at that point in time.  I was just listing people who had been accused at that point in time, and the arguments and accusations against each one.  I guess I should have made that clearer.

This does not take away from the fact that you used the list of four people to define a single suspect. Because only those four had been accused at that point, that means that the other four can't possibly be Dark Templar?

What?  No.  Everyone's a suspect unless you're an Observer (or, I suppose, a Praetor in this game) or can prove your innocence (attacked by a DT and saved by an arbiter).  Ultimately, Lav was the most suspicious to me out of everyone on that list.  Much like you listed off myself, Taer, Lav and Tip, as suspects, I did the same.  Of course, two of those weren't my suspects (myself and Shadowflare.  I was Lav's suspect, and 'Flare was mAc's), so they're not quite the same.  So if I'm a Dark Templar does that mean that Taer, Lav and Tip are innocent?  No, of course not.

And if I was trying to shift blame with that list, why the hell did I put my own name on it?  Seriously.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm going to bite the bullet.  But I can rest well with the knowledge that the Praetor will know I am innocent.  I just feel sorry for you guys now that Yellowtown is about to become, uh, Silverybluetown?  Lav, you played SC2, what colour are Dark Templar buildings these days?

[Lavarinth]

Funny I would be suspicious after I target you for targetting the person you hoped you could get lynched. Your plan back fired, dark Templar, and targetting me only made you less believable by changing your story entirely.

[Mucky]

The only list I've made is of everyone that's alive right now. Some people have been more outstanding than others, and I've only shown my arguments for those people. I suppose that makes me no different from you, but let's take a look at your suspects. Since ShadowFlare and yourself aren't your suspects, we can leave these two subjects out. That leaves Tipereth and Lavarinth.

Tipereth:
Suggested lynching Lav for the benefit of Yellowtown. Sure. OK.
Has motive for killing Negi. Based on a signature? Please.
Accused by Thalraxal, but accusation was later withdrawn. Does not implicate Tipereth in any way.

Lavarinth:

Absent due to surgery. Irrelevant.
Defended ShadowFlare. So? Please go into more detail. Are you saying that ShadowFlare is a co-suspect of Lavarinth, or that Lavarinth is an Observer? Probably not an Observer since you've voted for him, so I'm left to believe that you suspect ShadowFlare along with Lavarinth. Besides that, ShadowFlare was accused based on evidence from a previous game. Lavarinth dubbed this a foolish notion. That's enough to qualify as defending?
Issued random accusation of Thalraxal and voted to lynch Thalraxal. Valid.
Tip suggesting lynching him for the benefit of Yellowtown. Does not actually implicate Lavarinth.

Simplifying what we have:

Tipereth:
Suggested lynching Lav for the benefit of Yellowtown.

Lavarinth:
Issued random accusation of Thalraxal and voted to lynch Thalraxal.

To me, this makes the two of them just about even. Yet you so easily took your eyes off Tipereth and trained them onto Lavarinth. Let's look at things from a sequential standpoint.

1.) Tipereth suggests lynching Lavarinth
2.) You suspect Tipereth, arguing that Negi is dead and his signature is a motive
3.) Tipereth presents a counter-argument
4.) Lavarinth begins suspecting you
5.) You withdraw your statement
6.) Lavarinth votes for you
7.) You vote for Lavarinth

You had already suspected Tipereth, and that's why I am willing to take Lavarinth's word over yours. You seemed eager to point the finger at somebody, and as soon as Lavarinth cast his vote for you, you cast your vote for him. Besides that, I never accused you of trying to shift blame. I argued that you voted for Lavarinth out of retaliation, and that doing so justifies Lavarinth's logic that you are trying to avoid responsibility.

[Thalraxal]

Sorry, I issued counter points to some arguments in there too.  Sorry for giving a balanced review.  Guess what, Lav had been strangely silent, much like you accuse Taer of being.  Lav had a pretty darn good reason for that though.  So while Lav had been "strangely silent" it wasn't a valid argument to use against him at all.  I included the "who originally accused who" just because it was handy.  If we did find a Dark Templar, seeing who accused and who didn't would be useful information to have.

And you keep on saying that Negi's Sig is weak evidence, and you wonder why I withdrew my accusation.  Really. 

[tipereth]

I abstain from this round of voting. There has been no hard evidence presented to implicate anyone, only some very suspicious defenses. Someone should be lynched, maybe Thal, but it wont be by my hand.

[Aekenon]

As it turns out, I have access to a computer for the time being.  Go me!


After reading over everything I missed, I gotta say... wow, this has gotten intense.  I almost voted Thal right away, but then I wondered if I was just feeling bitter because of what happened in Eridun, so I stepped back to take another look at everything.

Thalraxal is the obvious choice right now.  Who made him that way, though?  Mucky and Lav.  Perhaps they're in the right, but it would be just plain irresponsible to assume they're innocent and go along with their posts without at least entertaining the idea that they're wrong.  And after thinking about it, doesn't it look like they're actually working together?  Only a certain kind of people usually have the luxury of doing that...

...yeah, I'm paranoid.  But it's good to think about every possible scenario, right?

Anyway, Thal has indeed made some grave errors.  But what if they're just that?  Errors.  His actions, while decidedly stupid, don't strike me as evil.  His most suspect behavior entered play after he was thrust into the defensive position by Lav and then Mucky.  But it should be said that it's impossible to look good while on the defense in this deadly game, after all.

Now, I may still vote for Thalraxal (assuming my computer access lasts long enough, tee hee), since he's the only choice right now.  But that's just it... he's really the only person who's had the spotlight shined upon him (granted it's his own dang fault).  Still, this just doesn't feel right.  In the interest of fairness, I think we ought to take a look at those who've attacked him.

Pew!


EDIT (Tip posted while I was making my post):  What the heck?  If you abstain, you're giving almost half of today's vote to the Dark Templar.  And if I turn out to be unable to vote in time...  I think you should reconsider, Tip.

[tipereth]

My vote would be for Lav, but I have no reason to believe that he is a Dark Templar beyond his strange lack of retaliation to my initial accusation. Regardless, boldfaced votes are final. (and chances are I'm going to be killed tonight anyway) It's strange that the DT chose to kill people who aren't really able to make long exhaustive examinations of all the possible suspects (like Ricky) first, instead of people like Mucky who can afford the time or patience to do so. Maybe that's worth looking into, maybe it isn't.

As an aside, the information garnered by the Praetor seems far more useful to the Dark Templar than to the good guys. The Dark Templar can afford to be more liberal in their targets if they know who is already dead, whereas the Zealots just get to find out exactly how fucked they are. The only real use would be to know if it really was a Dark Templar who was lynched, and in a game this small, that's almost irrelevant.

[Lavarinth]

tpereth would of only voted for me without even having nothing to stand by on it. My statements could easily prove psychologically that Thalraxal is in fact a Dark Templar. After admitting his defeat, he has even stopped trying to defend himself, while Lavarinth of the previous town kept pushing to the very end even when odds were against him to reclaim his innocense.

Sorry if I mistype anything by the way, still on drugs.

[Thalraxal]

tpereth would of only voted for me without even having nothing to stand by on it. My statements could easily prove psychologically that Thalraxal is in fact a Dark Templar. After admitting his defeat, he has even stopped trying to defend himself, while Lavarinth of the previous town kept pushing to the very end even when odds were against him to reclaim his innocense.

Sorry if I mistype anything by the way, still on drugs.

And how much good did pushing to the very end do Lavarinth of Eridun?  Not much, he still got lynched in the end.  Once people decide that you're a Dark Templar, it doesn't matter how innocent you are.  Everything you say is further proof that you're guilty.