MAFIA: Sanctuary - FINISHED

[Krazy]

One thing is for certain: this mysterious barbarian and Krazy are surely not of the same alignment. After all, why would a demon incapacitate one of his own?

If I am evil, then I certainly was not bashed by another evil person.

If I am good, then I might have been bashed by a good person who didn't know any better.

[SaintKerrigan]

From a balance standpoint I don't think two Mafia kills with only nine total players pans out very well.

Krazy makes a good point regarding the possibility of a good accidentally bashing a good.

[Milldawg]

Oh hey the game started. Hurray!

Re: the rules question, the Possessed only get one kill each night. One of them has to use the "kill" ability in place of their class ability. And yes, if someone was targeted for death and Holy Shield'd, we'd know about it.

And now down to BUSINESS. So Krazy got bashed... indeed this doesn't tell us much. If any Sorceresses happened to find a demon, or if any Amazons targeted someone who targeted Dread, they should speak up now, but aside from that, I don't see any reason for anyone to reveal their class just yet. Guess we'll wait to hear from everyone.

[Murdermasterx]

dread is a pretty neutral kill, lav knows him best and most of us have only played one game with him. he was quiet a lot of that game so the chances of him being protected were low.

it's stupid to say "well krazy probably isn't guilty because he got bashed hehe" if that's all it takes to lower suspicion of someone then it's a pretty easy way for the mafia to clear their names and slip by unnoticed if one of them is a barbarian.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Murdermasterx: I don't think anyone has cleared Krazy because of the bashing. We've just speculated that Krazy can't be Possessed with whoever the Basher was.

[Thalraxal]

Like I said before: at this point in time, Krazy and the Barbarian are red herrings.  Krazy could be possessed and hit by a Good Barbarian, Krazy could be Good and hit by a Good Barbarian, Krazy could Good and hit by a Possessed Barbarian or a Possessed Krazy was hit by his Possessed Barbarian pal in an effort to make him look more innocent.  We can't draw much from it until we learn more.  Like, for example, who the Barbarian who bashed him was.

@OopyMurdererBrawlerMasterX: A logical reason for Dread's demise, but I'd like to remind you that we have two players who haven't adventured with Dread before: AuirsRage2k and SK.

And since mAc's Daybreak post seems to have lost its player's list, I'll post one of my own:
1. Saint Kerrigan
2. Lavarinth
3. AA7Dragoon
4. Dread
5. Krazy (BASHED)
6. Murdermasterx
7. AiursRage2k
8. Milldawg
9. Thalraxal

[AA7Dragoon]

We need to leave the whole Krazy and Barbarian situation alone until we have more information.  At least we know that when we figure out the alignment and person who is the Barbarian, we will know where Krazy stands.

As for Dread's death, there is more information to be gathered there.  Dread is a relative newcomer to Mafia games.  He's had some experience at the Sanctuary; however, this is his first CC Mafia game.  I believe less experienced evil players are at work here.  I am going to conclude the following:

1. Milldawg is most likely innocent.  I doubt he would sign-off on killing Dread to his own game so early.  I would think he'd give a newcomer a chance.
2. I assert my own innocence in this situation because I would not target Dread on his first CC game.  He's only had a chance to play two Sanctuary games, and for his first one, he was censored for half the game.

[Aiursrage2k]

One thing is for certain: this mysterious barbarian and Krazy are surely not of the same alignment. After all, why would a demon incapacitate one of his own?

If I am evil, then I certainly was not bashed by another evil person.

If I am good, then I might have been bashed by a good person who didn't know any better.

There is a third possibility that you bashed yourself as to throw everyone off your trail.

[SaintKerrigan]

One thing is for certain: this mysterious barbarian and Krazy are surely not of the same alignment. After all, why would a demon incapacitate one of his own?

If I am evil, then I certainly was not bashed by another evil person.

If I am good, then I might have been bashed by a good person who didn't know any better.

There is a third possibility that you bashed yourself as to throw everyone off your trail.

It's possible. I view it as unlikely; given how powerful a vote can be, I don't understand why one would voluntarily give it up. Regardless, though, Thalraxal is right: we can't gain much from this at the moment.

I find AA7's speculation intriguing. I'm inclined to believe that AA7 wouldn't kill Dread out of respect for his newness to this game. I'm not as sure about Milldawg, but I have less experience with him within the game of Mafia, so I don't know.

[Thalraxal]

@AA7: I'd like to think you could include me in that short list of yours too, AA7.  Still, I agree with you about yourself: I'd have trouble seeing you killing someone like Dread on the first night willingly.  I'm not so sure if I agree with you about Milldawg's innocence though.  He can be a tricky one.

@AuirsRage2k: That's possible, but being a Barbarian isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[SaintKerrigan]

Where's Lav? He's the only person who hasn't spoken up yet.

[Krazy]

There is a third possibility that you bashed yourself as to throw everyone off your trail.

No, just because I didn't even know barbarians could bash themselves.

I'm still a bit confused about the rules.  So one hellspawn gets to kill, and the other uses their ability?  So like an amazon looking at one hellspawn would see the kill, but the amazon looking at the other hellspawn would just see a regular action?

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm still a bit confused about the rules.  So one hellspawn gets to kill, and the other uses their ability?  So like an amazon looking at one hellspawn would see the kill, but the amazon looking at the other hellspawn would just see a regular action?

I think that's how it works, yes.

[Lavarinth]

1. Milldawg is most likely innocent.  I doubt he would sign-off on killing Dread to his own game so early.  I would think he'd give a newcomer a chance.
2. I assert my own innocence in this situation because I would not target Dread on his first CC game.  He's only had a chance to play two Sanctuary games, and for his first one, he was censored for half the game.

That's funny, AA7, considering Milldawg has said virtually nothing than anything else and you now claim he is "most likely innocent." Well, after this post, I'm most likely innocent and so anyone else then, right? Thanks for your valuable input, I'm absolutely sure this was helpful in proclaiming your innocence since you would "not target Dread on his first CC game." I absolutely believe you. Absolutely.

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I'm pretty sure rules are: One generic "mafia" and one skilled "mafia." Both combined can cast their skill and target a kill. If the generic dies, both skill and kill still act. However if skilled dies, then only a kill can be performed.

[mAc Chaos]

The rules are, there's two Mafia.  Both of them have powers, but either of them can kill someone instead of using their powers.  Only one can kill at a time.