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Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:25 pm
by mAc Chaos
AA7Dragoon wrote:
mAc - Et tu Brute? I thought you were innocent! You played it very cool the whole game. No one had a clue you were a DT!

Lavarinth wrote:
You guys suck. I sign up again.
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Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:34 pm
by Mucky
LOL GG
Lavarinth and I were the Observers. We both investigated eachother on the first night. Also this is where the whole PM controversy came up, because Lavarinth sent me a PM saying that he was an observer and that he observed me. I sent him a reply giving him my targets, then I was like "wait" and asked Milldawg if this was legal. He said "NOPE".
Also, I investigated Thalraxal on the second night. It might've seemed obvious to investigate AA7, but I felt it more prudent to focus on the low-lying dudes and simply keeping an eye on the one making himself visible. Anyway, I would've come out with the information I had, had I not been killing on the same night. Assbutt.
Lavarinth is the worst observer ever. I mean, no offense, but you question the guy you investigated on the first night and found to be innocent, an action that would catch up to you later when you tried to say I was the other Observer. Then you accused Aekenon. I have no idea in hell why you would accuse the one person who could not possibly be the DT. Supposedly this was a typo... the worst kind of typo that could be made and it was made three times. Please do us all a favor and never be randomly selected to play the detective role again.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:36 pm
by Milldawg
Also, Negi kept trying to PM Aekenon with arbiter stuff, and then getting everyone to PM him secret information later on.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:43 pm
by Aekenon
Yeah, he wishes PMs were a bigger part of the game. I disagree, personally. He messaged me immediately after the first night and said he was the other Arbiter, and wanted to scheme with me. I said "I'll ask Milldawg if that's even legal" and then Milldawg's big PM post appeared shortly afterwards, so that was the end of that. I thought. Another night he PM'd me and said, "I'M GOING TO PROTECT SHADOWFLARE, SO PROTECT ME, OKAY?"
Tee hee.
AA7Dragoon wrote:
Aekenon - Basically your vote against me decided the rest of the game. I can't believe you sided with Thal... twice! I know I was trying to kill you last game, but come on! He was so obviously a DT! Awesome calls on protecting yourself.
I think protecting myself was probably a good thing over all actually, since I negated two mafia strikes. I wouldn't have been right about who to protect otherwise. Last night for example I probably would have protected mAc. Heh. Yeah, I don't claim to be a good doctor. I'd have rather been.... well,
anything else. Though it was interesting to be a player who was innocent for sure.
Sorry for lynching you though. Since I didn't believe Lav was guilty, and your entire case rested on Thal's "assocation" with him, I just wasn't inclined to believe it. Turns out you were right anyway, though... just not for the reasons you listed.
Let's try to work together better next time, perhaps.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 pm
by mAc Chaos
Mucky wrote:
LOL GG
Lavarinth and I were the Observers. We both investigated eachother on the first night. Also this is where the whole PM controversy came up, because Lavarinth sent me a PM saying that he was an observer and that he observed me. I sent him a reply giving him my targets, then I was like "wait" and asked Milldawg if this was legal. He said "NOPE".
Also, I investigated Thalraxal on the second night. It might've seemed obvious to investigate AA7, but I felt it more prudent to focus on the low-lying dudes and simply keeping an eye on the one making himself visible. Anyway, I would've come out with the information I had, had I not been killing on the same night. Assbutt.
Lavarinth is the worst observer ever. I mean, no offense, but you question the guy you investigated on the first night and found to be innocent, an action that would catch up to you later when you tried to say I was the other Observer. Then you accused Aekenon. I have no idea in hell why you would accuse the one person who could not possibly be the DT. Supposedly this was a typo... the worst kind of typo that could be made and it was made three times. Please do us all a favor and never be randomly selected to play the detective role again.
I haven't seen you guys play before so I didn't have a pre-existing assessment of each player, but Mucky seemed to know what he was doing right out of the gates, and other players were listening to him, so he had to die. It was a bonus that he was an Observer, although after that first night I though it was obvious since he was acting like one... wanting to wait a night... so he could find a Dark Templar.
Taer just seemed unpredictable and random, the kind of person that would screw me over as a loose end I overlooked right as we were about to seal the game. I've grown to be wary of those kinds of players, since that's how I always lose in anything.
The reason we chose Mucky and Taer together was because we thought we could pin it on AA7, since they were the ones who called him out on his bloodlust. Nobody took the bait, but it did come in handy later to use against him.
Aekenon wrote:
I think protecting myself was probably a good thing over all actually, since I negated two mafia strikes. I wouldn't have been right about who to protect otherwise. Last night for example I probably would have protected mAc. Heh. Yeah, I don't claim to be a good doctor. I'd have rather been.... well,
anything else. Though it was interesting to be a player who was innocent for sure.
Sorry for lynching you though. Since I didn't believe Lav was guilty, and your entire case rested on Thal's "assocation" with him, I just wasn't inclined to believe it. Turns out you were right anyway, though... just not for the reasons you listed.
Let's try to work together better next time, perhaps.
Oh, man, you should've protected me.
Yeah, you and Negi definitely being innocent was a big wrench thrown into our plans. We had to constantly maneuver around your actions and I was worried you'd throw your weight behind getting someone and everyone else would follow. I felt claustrophobic after a while since you guys were starting to whittle away the remaining members and with two confirmed innocent people leading the charge we had nowhere to run. Luckily accusations were flying so many different directions they never got focused on one person.
Although my one goal from the beginning of the game was to conclude it with an evil speech ending your life.

So, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:49 pm
by mAc Chaos
Also, the last day was the greatest day ever. I'd figured the game was slated for a tie as our best case scenario and was mainly aiming not to lose until then. (Since it would come down to me and Thal, you'd surely know it was one of us, and double vote us, and the best we could do would be double lynch and go down in a blaze of glory.)
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:53 pm
by Mucky
By the way, on the night Lavarinth was dead, you could've ended the game right there by targeting Ricky and Frozty, the two least likely to receive protection. This would've brought the game down to 3 DTs vs. 2 Arbiters and 1 Zealot, thus making it a 1:1 ratio and forcing a win for the DTs by default. Your unnecessary mindgames just dragged the game out.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:57 pm
by mAc Chaos
No, there were more people than that, I remember doing the math a ton. We didn't have it down to six until the day before the last day.
There were like 11 players. With you, Lav, and Taer out there would've been 9 left. If we had gotten two kills and they weren't foiled, there still would've been 7 people left, enough to outvote us if someone connected the killings to one of us, and if it was Ricky they would've made a beeline to me and if it was Frozty they would've gone after ShadowFlare.
Let me see... There was...
AA7
mAc
Aekenon
ShadowFlare
Lav
Frozty
Ricky
Taer
Thalraxal
Negi
Mucky
This is what we would've had.
Uh. So, looking at my own list, I see I'm bad at math.
I guess our mindset was, what are the odds they'd pick ShadowFlare out of EVERYBODY. If it was anybody BUT her, the game would be 100% ours.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:18 pm
by Lavarinth
I was serious about the whole issue where literally, I forgot everyone's roles multiple times.. So I stupidly accused Mucky even though I knew he was already an Observer because I checked him.. AND I FORGOT. I did that multiple times, why and who- I don't know.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:48 pm
by Thalraxal
Aekenon wrote:
Haha... you played me like a freakin' fiddle, Thal. Well played.
That was silly of me to vote so fast, I admit. Though then again... I guess there was no way to win at that point anyway. I'll gladly take an epic defeat over a stalemate!
Thank you, thank you. I wasn't sure if you were going to fall for it. You were one of the few people who were openly suspicious about our attempt to frame Lav, so I was worried you might take the possibility that mAc and I were both Dark Templar alot more seriously.
AA7Dragoon wrote:
Ahh, I died again! Damn you, Thalraxal!! *shakes fist* Maybe this time we will be on the same side, and not have such epic battles where we try to sway Aekenon against each other

Indeed! I look forward to working together in a future round!
Mucky wrote:
By the way, on the night Lavarinth was dead, you could've ended the game right there by targeting Ricky and Frozty, the two least likely to receive protection. This would've brought the game down to 3 DTs vs. 2 Arbiters and 1 Zealot, thus making it a 1:1 ratio and forcing a win for the DTs by default. Your unnecessary mindgames just dragged the game out.
There is no such thing as an unnecessary mindgame! But yeah, I was pretty sure that with everyone looking for two Dark Templar instead of three that they'd probably pick anyone else but us. We were wrong on that one. I guess there is something to be said about simplicity. Oh, well. Hindsight, ftw!
We probably should have hit Frozty instead of Aek that night though. I didn't think that Aek was really an Arbiter and was just lucky on the first round, I was pretty sure that AA7 would have had Arbiter protection that night, and killing Ricky would have made everyone look at mAc. I chose to avoid Frozty though. I thought it would be easy to frame him for siding with Lav on the previous days. Never got around to it though, I ended up on the defensive on the next round against AA7 and didn't really have a chance to accuse anyone.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:17 pm
by ShadowFlare
We didn't target two that night after Lav was lynched partly because of some uncertainties. Yes, if we had successfully killed two, it would have been 3 vs 3. However, if at least one was blocked by the arbiters, we wouldn't have been tied in numbers like that, and Lav's innocence would have been proven while we didn't yet have the advantage. So basically we did that to gain the advantage that no one would ever know for certain how many DT's were left until the end, and it did work.

Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:39 pm
by Lavarinth
ShadowFlare wrote:
We didn't target two that night after Lav was lynched partly because of some uncertainties. Yes, if we had successfully killed two, it would have been 3 vs 3. However, if at least one was blocked by the arbiters, we wouldn't have been tied in numbers like that, and Lav's innocence would have been proven while we didn't yet have the advantage. So basically we did that to gain the advantage that no one would ever know for certain how many DT's were left until the end, and it did work.
You're a terrible liar

Unless saying you were an Observer to die on purpose was all.. Part of the plan.. Then that was a terrible mistake.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:45 pm
by ShadowFlare
My original intention was to say it at the same time as voting to lynch you, to get an Arbiter to possibly waste their protection on me (no matter how slim the odds of that), to make it more likely for both of the 2 hits to succeed.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:54 pm
by Lavarinth
ShadowFlare wrote:
My original intention was to say it at the same time as voting to lynch you, to get an Arbiter to possibly waste their protection on me (no matter how slim the odds of that), to make it more likely for both of the 2 hits to succeed.
Yeah, I could see that if you didn't believe Mucky was an Arbiter.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:47 pm
by Aekenon
ShadowFlare wrote:
My original intention was to say it at the same time as voting to lynch you, to get an Arbiter to possibly waste their protection on me (no matter how slim the odds of that), to make it more likely for both of the 2 hits to succeed.
To your credit, you almost fooled Negi.