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I dig Thalraxal's explanation and vote against AA7Dragoon.

I'm going to review the activities of AA7 and Thalraxal.

Day 1:
AA7: Almost immediately you come up with Mucky and Thalraxal as suspects.  You chose Thal just because of a random comment Negi made, and Mucky because you disagreed with his idea to not lynch anyone.  Though after meeting with some resistance you back off, and ended up not voting for anything.

Thalraxal: You take the more gentle road and agree with Mucky's suggestion to abstain.  And you vote accordingly.


Day 2:
AA7: You go after Lavarinth, but only after he had already fouled things up for himself.  It seems evident that he was a Dark Templar, and you use this as your biggest defense, as why would a Dark Templar vote against one of his kind?  But here's the thing...

Thalraxal: Also voted against Lavarinth after his slip-up.  According to AA7's logic, this would mean you're both innocent.  However, I think it's safe to say that one of you is guilty.  So the vote against Lavarinth means nothing.


Day 3:
AA7: Today, you assault Thalraxal over and over, mostly with things that are true about me too.  Meanwhile, ShadowFlare makes up that story about being an Observer, and you say little against it.  You're focused on Thalraxal throughout the day, and vote to lynch him.

Thalraxal: Basically just tries to defend himself from AA7's barrage.  I also mystically accuse him of being an ARBITER, which he denies, saying he's just a Zealot.  But mostly he's just fighting off AA7's (frankly flimsy) statements against him.  He doesn't accuse him in return though, instead noticing what was going on with ShadowFlare, and votes against her.



AA7, your main (and only) defense is this:

If I was a Dark Templar, why would I openly target each of my kind, ruining a 2-kill advantage when I could have sewn doubt among others?

But, if you were a Dark Templar, then the only guilty person you've actually "lead the charge" against is Lavarinth, and that was only after that legendary slip-up.  You basically ignored ShadowFlare the whole second day.  Meanwhile, if Thalraxal were a Dark Templar, then he's apparently voted against both of his allies. 

That defense of yours is actually better suited for Thal, I'd say.  You better come up with somethin' else.

If there is an observer left, now is the time to speak.

Aekenon, you're not giving me enough credit.  Did Lavarinth not put up a strong defense for himself?  Did not my case against him help influence your vote and others to see him for the Dark Templar he truly was?  I did not need his slip-up to accuse him.  It only proved my earlier assertions and I listed those in my main post.  Essentially, he took a cue from Thalraxal to change his strategy to an abstain from the first night (I didn't even reveal Thalraxal's name until after Lavarinth's execution).  That was my basis to originally accuse Lavarinth, before he gave himself away by falsely accusing you.  And although I was suspicious of Mucky the first day, I never officially accused him because I was not certain if he was guilty.  Sadly, he was killed, proving his innocence only in death.

I also was the first to bring up concrete evidence against Shadowflare.  Others were randomly saying "Lynch Shadowflare" without any proof.  The way I knew Shadowflare was Dark Templar was by tying her to Thalraxal.  Both of them held off on voting to abstain and executing Lavarinth until towards the end.  And when they did vote, they did it together.  But if Thalraxal and Shadowflare were Dark Templar and voted for Lavarinth, why would they kill one of their own?  By that time, I had dug Lavarinth into such a deep hole, their voting any other way would have been suspicious.  Remember, Shadowflare already had 2 votes against her before Lavarinth was executed.  For the sake of preservation, the two let Lavarinth die.  Fortunately, we executed Shadowflare the next day, leaving only Thalraxal as the last Dark Templar.

The fact is clear we have killed at least one Dark Templar.  They are no longer able to target two at night.  And it is also a fact, that between Thalraxal and myself, I have been the most adamant and forceful of executing Lavarinth and Shadowflare.  Thalraxal has been very careful about his votes, voting only when the tide has turned against the others in order to protect himself. 

I also find it preposterous Thalraxal demands to know what my role is.  For the safety of others, it is not wise to say who I am because it makes it easier for the Dark Templar to determine who is who.  Have you revealed yourself to us, Aekenon?  Negi?  No, of course not.  No one else has had to reveal their roles, and the only ones who did were pretenders we executed.

My brothers, I have only served Eridun with dignity and honor.  If Thalraxal is innocent, let his blood be on my head.  I will resign to my fate if I am wrong, and will accuse no one else.  But do not let Thalraxal escape one more day from justice.

AA7, if you reveal yourself, I'm sure the doctor will protect you.

Um...

I have a feeling Ricky's been a DT the whole time.

Mac?

Actually, Aek has said that he's a zealot.  Also, I think Lav dug his own hole.

AA7 wrote:I also find it preposterous Thalraxal demands to know what my role is.  For the safety of others, it is not wise to say who I am because it makes it easier for the Dark Templar to determine who is who.  Have you revealed yourself to us, Aekenon?  Negi?  No, of course not.  No one else has had to reveal their roles, and the only ones who did were pretenders we executed.

Overall, I find this very interesting.  Now, last round I would have agreed with you on this, each role revealed makes it easier to figure out who everyone is.  I said as much then when Aek asked me to reveal my role.  But now, on this day... no.  There's only one Dark Templar left, and if you are so certain that it's me, then you have nothing to fear from revealing your role.  If you were right, and I was the last Dark Templar and I was lynched, then the danger would be gone and dealt with.  No matter what was revealed, I would be dead and unable to act on that information.

I can draw two things from this.  Either you yourself are not entirely sure if I am a Dark Templar or that you in fact have something to hide.  And right now, the only thing to hide would be being a Dark Templar.

Please, I invite you to prove me wrong.  Maybe you're just paranoid.  I don't know.  But if you're as convinced as you seem that I am a Dark Templar, so much so that you're willing to vote against me at dawn and not even give me a chance to prove my innocence to you, then you should be aware that you have nothing to fear from revealing your own role at this point in time.

Negi wrote: Um...

I have a feeling Ricky's been a DT the whole time.

Mac?

Welcome to my world.

AA7Dragoon wrote: Aekenon, you're not giving me enough credit.  Did Lavarinth not put up a strong defense for himself?  Did not my case against him help influence your vote and others to see him for the Dark Templar he truly was?

Truth be told, the things you said had nothing to do with my vote.  You chose to lynch him immediately based solely on the fact that he said he didn't trust me anymore, when even I was willing to forgive his clumsy outburst and let him explain himself.  I did end up voting for him, but it had to do with how downright strange his later posts were, and not your stretchy arguments.

A trend I've noticed with you is that you tend to cast your vote in your first post of the day.  Maybe it's because I'm the cautious type, but that just strikes me as crazy.  Based only on random quotes that aren't even always in context, you shouldn't throw your only vote out there before they even have a chance to answer for themselves.  The only way I can justify your posts is if you're an Observer who scanned these people, therefore knowing the truth and doing your best to sway things that way.  However, you've already denied this when I asked you about it.  Which means you're just preforming off-the-bat judgements without any real kind of authority.

This may not make you a Templar necessarily, but it doesn't mean we can always trust you.

AA7Dragoon wrote:(I didn't even reveal Thalraxal's name until after Lavarinth's execution)

Yeah you did:

AA&Dragoon - First Day wrote:Currently, I find Thalraxal and Mucky suspect.  I suspect Mucky, for the logic of his reasoning is flawed.  I would suspect the Dark Templar would seek another night to off-set the terrible losses they incurred by the Arbiters.  I suspect Thalraxal, for I have reason to believe Negi's accusation is true now that his innocence is proven.  It is also no coincidence Thalraxal would immediately -- and so far be -- the only one to support Mucky's assertion.

You suspected him on the first day due to his connection to Mucky, and because Negi randomly threw his name out there.  Talk about grasping...  (that reminds me, you later assault Thalraxal for taking something Negi said too seriously.  Is this a double-standard?)

AA7Dragoon wrote: I also was the first to bring up concrete evidence against Shadowflare.  Others were randomly saying "Lynch Shadowflare" without any proof.  The way I knew Shadowflare was Dark Templar was by tying her to Thalraxal.  Both of them held off on voting to abstain and executing Lavarinth until towards the end.  And when they did vote, they did it together.  But if Thalraxal and Shadowflare were Dark Templar and voted for Lavarinth, why would they kill one of their own?  By that time, I had dug Lavarinth into such a deep hole, their voting any other way would have been suspicious.

But since he was in such a deep hole by then, as you say, any reasonable person would've voted that way too.  I don't see how making an obvious choice turns them into Dark Templar.  And if you'll notice, I waited until the end to vote as well.  Does that connect me to them?  No.  I disagree whole-heartedly with that kind of thing being "concrete evidence."

ShadowFlare was proven guilty the next day, sure, but for entirely different reasoning.  And I still think it's odd to try and connect her with Thalraxal just because they voted at the end together (and still hours apart).

AA7Dragoon wrote:The fact is clear we have killed at least one Dark Templar.  They are no longer able to target two at night.  And it is also a fact, that between Thalraxal and myself, I have been the most adamant and forceful of executing Lavarinth and Shadowflare.  Thalraxal has been very careful about his votes, voting only when the tide has turned against the others in order to protect himself.

There's nothing wrong with that.  Obviously I trust a cautious individual more than I trust one who shouts out for death as he wakes up in the morning.

And... "forceful executing of Lavarinth and ShadowFlare?"  Lav, yeah, but again... you did nothing to ShadowFlare.

AA7Dragoon wrote:I also find it preposterous Thalraxal demands to know what my role is.  For the safety of others, it is not wise to say who I am because it makes it easier for the Dark Templar to determine who is who.  Have you revealed yourself to us, Aekenon?  Negi?  No, of course not.  No one else has had to reveal their roles, and the only ones who did were pretenders we executed.

I asked to know your role too, y'know.  On Day 2.  And I have revealed myself a few times.  Frankly, I find it strange that someone who's been collecting so much "evidence" would overlook this.  But whatever... once again you've produced an argument against Thalraxal that's true for me as well.

why is this still going KILL ME NOW

Negi wrote:I have a feeling Ricky's been a DT the whole time.

Believe whatever you want.

Because all of you are demanding me to reveal myself, I have no choice but to comply.  I am a Zealot.  I did not wish to do so, but you must understand my role in all this.  It should be no surprise, considering even Lavarinth was able to figure out I was merely a Zealot of Eridun, and was trying to gain favor from me by pretending to be an Observer and guessing my role.  And he was correct.

My justifications for accusing Lavarinth and Shadowflare are based originally on their connections to Thalraxal.  If they were found guilty and proven Dark Templar, I find it difficult to imagine anyone else but Thalraxal to be the final Templar. 

However, if you cannot find yourself to execute Thalraxal, then you must review who is left.  You cannot simplify the choice for me to be the only other option.  I believe Thalraxal is guilty; however, I would plead with you not to choose to execute me if you believe him to be innocent.  I have served Eridun faithfully, and I am investing my honor in the decisions I have made.  If I am wrong, then let the blood of the innocent be on my head and deal with me accordingly.  But do not bring me to my death before my time, my brothers.

Let's not vote today so we can let one of us die again and then we will win. 

Are you being sarcastic?

All right, let's get votin'.