Campaign Creations

So this is one b.net map? That ain't to big of a project is it?

A b.net war3 or SC2 map CAN be a big project depending on the work put.

In SC1, due to the limitations of the trigger system, you can easily make the most of its features in a multiplayer map. Also if you want to use custom content, you usually need to use a mod and a mod tend to not be compatible over b.net except with friends that got the same mod.

But in War3 (and logically SC2 and onwards), a b.net map can be a full scale project with lots of special triggers and with customization of everything : icons, spells, skins, models, terrain into a map. The only annoyance might be the file size limit over b.net but despite that, you can go far.

Yeah totally true, that slipped my mind.

There are some elements you can cut away though. Custom loaders, music and sound usually (to big) and storyline (it's DotA!).

Maglok wrote:There are some elements you can cut away though. Custom loaders, music and sound usually (to big) and storyline (it's DotA!).

Yeah and it's usually preferable to cut at least some in the end (if not most) since either you can't give good quality in a specific element, too much time involved, it is just plain unnecessary or it just increase the file size for very little bang.

Hello, I'm the author and HR manager of the GG project. Thanks for your attention, I'll do my best do give reasonable replies to you.
My personal role is to create the GG team of people, who respect each other and are united with one goal of creation of the map of high quality, which will be very popular among other UMS games. Also I'm the only one (yet...) administrator of the ggmap.sc forum and I do my best to create the space comfortable to communicate and exchange ideas. Also I'm a professional C++ programmer, so when the SC2 editor comes out I'll make my part in programming (as the new scripting language is announced to be C-like, perhaps even well-known LUA. If someone has more precise info, please tell it here.)

I wouldn't take part in anything where all the "leader" does is sit back and say "do this and that cause I'm a PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER!"

I wouldn't also...)) I realize that a new branch of cybersport can be created only in atmosphere of democracy, reasoning and mutual respect. I speak my gameplay and universe-related ideas just like everyone else, and together we decide what will remain and what will go to a recycle bin. By the way, this Thursday we'll have the first Skype conference of GG team. I want to emphasize that we already have about 12 people in the team (all of them from ex-USSR countries, so we speak Russian) and the work has already started. Still I believe that to succeed we need foreign members and if enough talented people from this and other English forums join me, I'll link the discussion together.

So basically DotA in SC2

Well, if you mean that teamplay + replayability + new versions + 1 unit under control=DotA, ok, it’s DotA. But in the first post of the thread (the text was originally written by me) I distinguished DotA from GG step-by-step.

The later battle.net gets full of Dota servers the better

It’s inevitable The race will start immediately after SC2 release and I’m going to win it!
Talking a bit more seriously, most of DotA players go to GGC, not Battle.net. And every player must have the right to choose a game to play, you mustn’t limit people to ladder games only, I think.

Thus if the leader we see seems all talk

Till the SC2 release all we can do is TALKING! And in the end of this talking we’ll get the integral gameplay system ready to be implemented.

There are some elements you can cut away though. Custom loaders, music and sound usually (to big) and storyline (it's DotA!).

Where did you see anything about custom loaders? oO We don’t have professional assembler programmers for that and anyway GG don’t need any custom loaders.
We won’t import custom music in the future map, it’s senseless, and very few sounds will be imported, which are really necessary for the gameplay and overall atmosphere. BUT we’re going to create the storyline in our own universe (NO connection with original SC, no terrans/protoss and zerg. New races (surely some of them will look like SC races), new planets, new weapons!). Many WC3 ladder players told that they don’t respect DotA as it has no storyline, no background at all, so I gonna make my best to create the map that will be respected by most of people (as it’s impossible to be liked by everyone:) )
If you need guarantees that this project won’t die tomorrow, speak them clearly and I’ll reply. But I think the best guarantee is that I have paid for the domain name and good hosting of the forum from my own pocket.

What I meant was that those elements, like custom loaders, are usually part of bigger projects. Thus I considered one b.net map less big, though still pretty big.

I can not emphasize how difficult it would be to get foreign members working together when they can't speak either language.. So far one of you from two can speak it easily enough to understand. The other is very broken English and I didn't bother to finish reading his posts. What about the rest of your team?

http://ggmap.sc/showthread.php?t=13
for example

Blizzard said the scripting language they're using is a bastard child derive of C (like JASS was a bastard child derived of LUA, sucked free of everything that made LUA great)

FYI DotA was made by one person.

My opinion is, that Radagast et al have been received with deprecative statements. I can see somewhat where you guys are coming from, if you saw so many other projects being announced big time and then utterly fail. That may over time be sobering, but personally, I think it is not fair to project such an assumption onto them. Only time will tell what comes out of it. I for once look forward to that. 

@Radagast:
Can you tell us more about your concept? What is the background story? I understand that you want to have only your terran/protoss equivalent playable while whatever zerg-replacement you plan should only be a common AI controlled enemy? And, in your forum some of the posts are in different cyrilic encoding formats, that makes it hard to read (mandating switching around all the time). It would be better if you could all agree on one encoding format and that's it, or  better yet, switch to English, as this will undoubtedly attract many more people to your project.

Thus if the leader we see seems all talk

Till the SC2 release all we can do is TALKING! And in the end of this talking we’ll get the integral gameplay system ready to be implemented.

The difference I implied is between talking and having any sort of a real plan to present (although I have to agree that you need to discuss stuff and ideas for any sort of project).

For example, since WC3 got a fairly advanced editor, it is logical that SC2 will be at worst with only 30% less features or at best have 50% more features. Thus, you plan the whole thing more or less based on WC3's existing features for the upcoming SC2 map.

In addition, there are some stuff that can always be MADE way before SC2 is released : unit sounds, music, custom loading screen (which would just require a conversion to whatever format it uses in SC2), icons, etc.

So far, your team just didn't shown us any content or detailed plans to reasonably convince most of us (although Godfather21 did better than the common "Hey, I will make a map" go-sayer).

ok I'll translate the main ideas we have already generated, but it's a lot of text and it will be ready on weekends I think.