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Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:28 am
by Legion
omega20 wrote:
Laconius wrote: You know that's all complete bullshit.  After obviously playing my work, how can you claim those features as your own original ideas by throwing in stupid excuses such as, "I used it to make the map easier..."  Seriously, if you enjoyed playing my campaign entry, I'd appreciate it if you could repay me in kind by producing material that is more or less original to your own style.  I seriously thought you were above this, Omega.
Hmm... I'll be sincere with you. The problem I have is that, when I see something in a campaign that I like, I want to do it by myself. That's the problem I've, my insidious wishes to repeat something I've seen in another campaigns before (Actually, it has done some good to my mapping skills. Now I know more than before. But that isn't an excuse for what I do, anyways). As my grammar and spelling aren't at any way perfect (I've been improving them throughout the last months, though), sometimes I must relay on another campaigns to see expresions I need. But even if I try, when I start a campaign it always resembles another campaign (gameplay, etc, etc).

I'll put you an obvious example:

Fall and Rise -> Well, what can I say about it, it was my first campaign. I used many campaigns to improve my dialogues (at that moment, my grammar and spelling were far worse than they're now. I don't need now to relay in such a thing to do it (just a few times, though).

Because, and I hope God forgives me for what I'm about to see, I've fear. Fear for my projects to be ugly to people. And I envy you and admire for achieving such marvelous projects.

I must relay on other people project's sounds becuase I don't have the proper software I need for it. Hell, I don't even know how to record voices!

Now, if what you want to know is if I used your campaign as a reference, well of course I did! And I'm sorry about it, but I can't avoid it. I admire you and your campaign, as well as I admire all those campaign maker that put their efforts in doing a really good project!

Now, if you want to see my own style, very well then. From now on, you're gonna see the true Omega. In honor of your project, and in  honor for all those people who gives their efforts, their time, and their best wishes for their projects, now you're gonna see my true stly. I promise you.

That'd mean starting the campaign from the beginning again... aw :p)
BadManners! wrote: With the multitude of Starcraft campaigns out there, it's hard to do something nobody else has done before (like Oracle also said in his contest campaign thread), but still anyone can tell the difference between two people coincidentally coming up with a simila
No crime, but it's obviously taken Laconius a long time and hard work to get to this point, and I imagine it's frustrating to see someone else doing something similar less than a week after showing his work to the world. I suggest you rehash it if you want to complete this work and give credit where it's due. VE seems to be one of your greatest inspirations so far.
Obviously. But don't get a wrong idea. My campaign's plot centers on Aiur, but not because of Laconius' campaign. As I said in VE own thread, Aiur is one of my favourite planets. I attempted to make a campaign about it before (My Life for Aiur, wasn't it). I'm just a car. Laconius' project give me the oil.
Krazy wrote: Yeah, really.  I mean, really, Yells of Freedom was fun in a very different way from VE.  You have a real knack for b&d missions that have a smooth and natural flow to them, omega.  And your DT hero has a lot of potential. 
Yes, I know. I'm very experienced in B&D missions. But my goal has been always to make a 'micro' campaign. My futile attempts to accomplish this goal is what make me gain experience on B&D. They were also what make me to cancel my previous projects.
Hey man, take it easy. Everybody's scared that their blood sweat and tears will result in nothing. And everybody wants the highest praise when it's done. That doesn't mean they copy someone else's stuff. Imagine what it would be like. Your campaign finished, couple of solid missions and a decent story. Would you want half of it to be actually theft and heavy inspiration?

Not understanding how something works shouldn't force you to take someone's finished product and copy things from it. Not having enough experience with something doesn't mean you can't get that experience now. Step one of creation is acknowledging what you can and can't do. Think, what are my limitations? Can I get around them, or should I find a different approach?

I don't want to see any other Omega or Omega-style whatever that means. Hell, this is for fun, remember? A hobby... All we're asking is if you're gonna embark on a mission to create a campaign for Starcraft, make certain it doesn't heavily resemble someone else's work. If you want to do that, keep it yourself, show it to your mother, but understand that people here will not like it very much.

If you need help with stuff, ask around. This place has turned into a campaign workshop more than anything else, so take advantage of that!

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:43 am
by omega20
Krazy wrote:
Yes, I know that. Actually, my intention is not to copy the product. My attempts to make my campaign to reach a high quality level results in similar gameplays. I'm ashamed of that, certainly. Of course, all of this tarted as a hobby for me. But my failed attempts to do a decent project frustated me. Now, I'm gonna start back from zero, but this time without anyone's campaign inspiration. Perhaps that's the only way I can make something by myself.

And thanks. I'll ask if I've any doubt. ;)

Cheers!

Finish Yells of Freedom :P
It's almost already finished. Maps 8 to 10 are what remains. ;) But I'd want to finish this one too. ;)

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:13 am
by Meta
I forgot I gave Omega green light to pick sfx from my maps, as long as due credit is given. However, of course, this doesn't mean you could pick files from VE, man. :)

And, although the stacked cannon feature does come with Scmdraft, I find it strange that you inserted it in your map... a week or so after VE is out? This, along with other things featured in VE and VE only, of all campaigns featured in this site, suggests that you took it from there.

. Take your time and let the ideas flow: let imagination run wild and picture how you can make your campaigns distinct from the others while still being fun, as that's usually what makes a great campaign. Remember, it's all about having fun while making and playing each other's maps, and some of us struggle hard to come up with something different.  :)

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:52 pm
by Maglok
/popcorn
/soda
/couch

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:52 am
by Legion
omega20 wrote:
Laconius wrote:
omega20 wrote: Then, I can't see the point of what do you mean with 'my previous thefts.' As I said, Meta gave me permission, and so I've green light to use them.
Meta wrote: omg stolen sfx and music.  :'(

Edit: I haven't played the map yet, but I'll try it soon.
And to rectify the topic of music:
Meta wrote: Nah, I'm not the author of the music anyway, but if you stick to it, give the author credit as I did in my maps, and give me credit for the sfx since most of the more elaborate sfx used in my campaigns are a result of many hours of editing.  ;)

And just for the sake of creativity, IMHO usually it's not good to use tracks other people have already used (even if they're not the authors, which is the majority of the cases anyway). Well, at least it's my personal ethos regarding these, as music gets a "personal" use in the campaign, and it plays such a big role in establishing the drama, the action and the ambience, it actually becomes part of the campaign. So that it's something out of respect towards other people's works, IMHO anyway.
Original source: http://www.campaigncreations.org/forum/http://www.campaigncreations.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=12936#p12936

^Above quotes were stated BEFORE you asked permission to use Meta's sfx.  And as stupid as it sounds, he gave you permission afterwards.  Otherwise, I don't think he would have claimed it as "stolen" in the first post; hence, that is classified as "previous theft" if you ask me.
Aaahh, my old campaign Fall and Rise. Well, as stupid, as retarded and whatever you want to call it as it may sound, at that point I didn’t knew that I couldn’t use other’s people sounds or music tracks. I was new on the forums, and I was retarded and naïve. Hell, I don’t even knew what does mean ‘double posting’ (ask Lav about it, I send him a PM full of grammar/spelling (I wasn't so good on English :p) bugs in order to know what was it). As I said somewhere not so long, English is my second language. Fortunately, I’ve managed to improve both my pronunciation and myself, and learnt quite a bit about what’s wrong and what’s not, becoming the person I’m today. :D

Afterwards, I gave me apologizes to Meta (when I did learnt what does the term ‘apologize’ mean. Duh). :p

Also, about music, both posts come to say the same thing, more or less.
Laconius wrote: Fuck, I'd make a good lawyer, aye?
Indeed. :)
Many people here aren't from English speaking countries.  It's good that you've managed to improve, it takes hard work, but it has nothing to do with your map containing a little too many VE 'influences'. :p ;)

Off you go, Omega.  Bring us some original stuff!

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:26 pm
by Church
anonymous wrote: I think we all should eat pie  :-X
I gave you a pie for that one!

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:35 am
by omega20
Jim_Raynor wrote:
anonymous wrote: I think we all should eat pie  :-X
I gave you a pie for that one!
Can't you two create your own thread to spam? :-\

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:56 am
by omega20
anonymous wrote: Omega I was nearly trying to lighten the mood after that long debate  :-\
Well, then do it. But not about off-topic matters. I mean, you also could say "well, now that this discussion is over, could you give us more info about the campaign" or something like that. You could also give your opinions about it. After all, a forum is a place for debate, among other things. ;)

An off-topic post can generate really annoying off-topic debates (the previously mentioned debated, for example) that'd keep shitting this thread with unnecessary posts. ;)

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:35 am
by Church
omega20 wrote:
Jim_Raynor wrote:
anonymous wrote: I think we all should eat pie  :-X
I gave you a pie for that one!
Can't you two create your own thread to spam? :-\
Look, I'm sorry omega. I was just replying to anonymous, I wasn't trying to spam. Now that I think of it, I could have pm'd him. I'm sorry.

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:18 pm
by omega20
Jim_Raynor wrote:
omega20 wrote:
Jim_Raynor wrote:
anonymous wrote: I think we all should eat pie  :-X
I gave you a pie for that one!
Can't you two create your own thread to spam? :-\
Look, I'm sorry omega. I was just replying to anonymous, I wasn't trying to spam. Now that I think of it, I could have pm'd him. I'm sorry.
It's really not necessary to make a post to only say that you're gonna give pie to a person. Look at Lav, Meta or Taeradun (just to name a few :p). They've all of them +100 pie. Do you seriously think that there are more than 100 post in the forums saying "Hey Lav/Meta/Taer, I'm gonna give you some pie"?. Of course, there aren't.

You're relatively new on the forums, so I think it's good for you to know. ;)

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:00 am
by Taeradun
omega20 wrote: It's really not necessary to make a post to only say that you're gonna give pie to a person. Look at Lav, Meta or Taeradun (just to name a few :p). They've all of them +100 pie.
lol

Re: StarCraft - Solace of the Fallen

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:47 pm
by thebrowncloud
Alright boys and girls! Now that Omega has a relatively clean thread once again, whats the latest on the campaign? Anything I can help with?