Mafia VIII - Chaotic Nights (No longer joinable) - Morning

[Milldawg]

I know, I just mean that we have no way of knowing the precise limits of any role except our own :p

[Lavarinth]

Of the four of us, one of us is innocent, three of us are not. The only issue is God knows when I try to defend myself I trip on my words and stutter myself to being lynched, haha.

Ah, so if you say or do anything suspicious, we should just disregard it.  Understood!


Anyway, if what Milldawg says is true (not that he'd lie... I think), then Mucky probably was an evil detective.  Yesterday, I think there were three people who didn't vote for him... one was CDL, who we already knew was innocent, and the other two were Shadowflare and Lavarinth.  I think it's safe to assume that Shadowflare is innocent, so... that leaves Lavarinth.

If we're to believe that Mucky's partner wouldn't have voted for him, then Lavarinth is our man.  Of course, even Mucky voted Mucky... so maybe this line of thinking doesn't work.  Still, I think it's odd that Lavarinth's final vote yesterday was for Milldawg of all people.

You're very pushy on calling me out, Aek... As mentioned, Milldawg voted for me, so I voted for him, I initally voted for Ricky, just like others did, and I simply didn't adjust my vote since Mucky was already doomed so what was the point? I would be dumb to leave my vote on Milldawg in hopes of it ACTUALLY working, you and I both know that.

At least I'm not the one trying to blend in with the crowd slyly by voting for lynching Mucky, but likely three people here were. And besides himself.. Only three people voted for Mucky.

Was it stated for sure that it's [two] teams and not one large team, somewhere?

[Milldawg]

No, but we're banking on the fact that Ricky, while insane, is not retarded. He would not make a large team of multiple mafiosos that can kill twice per night. It would just be way overpowered.

[AA7Dragoon]

Oh, this is a headache trying to figure this all out.  There are so many things going on at the same time.  Thank you Milldawg for telling us all this.  I'm agreeing with you that Mucky was the Dark Detective.  He was a mastermind and now that he's gone, there's one less Mafia.  What an interesting twist with CLD.  I thought he was indestructible but when Shadowflare was targeted, he was killed!  I believe Shadowflare is also innocent!  If she was targeted twice, by both Mafia teams, that means she can't be Mafia, right?

[ShadowFlare]

AA7 was first to join in on the vote for Mucky, then Thalraxal after his botched vote for Tipereth, and then Aekenon.

I'd suspect Thalraxal of at least not being on the side that picked to kill Tipereth, since he didn't realize he was dead already.

Hmm, both AA7 and Aekenon were the only ones who only voted against Mucky that day.  They did also both vote in the first day's voting.

[Lavarinth]

AA7, obviously Shadow is clear of any doubt, with Milldawg's in-depth analysis, I would say he is as well.

Shadow, we the four in suspicion were four of the five that voted the first night, except the only difference is that yes, Thal didn't initially vote for Mucky while the other two followed suit.

[ShadowFlare]

Summary of all votes and killings so far:

Thalraxal votes RCcola
Aekenon votes RCcola
Lavarinth votes RCcola
Milldawg votes RCcola
AA7Dragoon votes RCcola
RCcola lynched

Tipereth is killed, CLDVII is targeted but was not found

Milldawg votes Ricky
Mucky votes Ricky
Lavarinth votes Ricky
Milldawg changes vote to Lavarinth
Lavarinth changes vote to Milldawg
Milldawg changes vote to Milldawg
Mucky changes vote to Mucky (after I suggest Mucky)
AA7Dragoon votes Mucky
Thalraxal votes Tipereth
Thalraxal changes vote to Mucky
Aekenon votes Mucky
CDLVII votes Thalraxal
Mucky lynched

ShadowFlare targeted twice but CDLVII killed in place

[Lavarinth]

The only vote that makes me think is the following:

"CDLVII votes Thalraxal"

It's a possibility he was onto something..? Or am I looking to deep into it?

[Aekenon]

You're very pushy on calling me out, Aek... As mentioned, Milldawg voted for me, so I voted for him, I initally voted for Ricky, just like others did, and I simply didn't adjust my vote since Mucky was already doomed so what was the point? I would be dumb to leave my vote on Milldawg in hopes of it ACTUALLY working, you and I both know that.

But you did leave your vote on Milldawg.  It was a curious thing, so I brought it up.  Sorry if I'm being too "pushy" for you... but you still didn't answer why you just left it there.  I mean, if it were me in your position, I probably would have at least switched it back to Ricky after getting over the shock of Milldawg suddenly voting against me.  Like I said earlier though... I could just be thinking too much about something that doesn't mean anything.  Right?

The only vote that makes me think is the following:

"CDLVII votes Thalraxal"

It's a possibility he was onto something..? Or am I looking to deep into it?

"I assume Lav and I are not Mafia, thus I too vote to lynch Thalraxal!"

That's what CDL said.  Since he said "I too," I got he feeling he somehow got Mucky and Thalraxal mixed up... since this was after that huge train of votes for Mucky, and nobody else had voted Thalraxal.  I dunno though.  I'm not sure what he would have been "onto" in any case... unless as a morphling he has some extra ability we're not thinking of.

[Thalraxal]

The only vote that makes me think is the following:

"CDLVII votes Thalraxal"

It's a possibility he was onto something..? Or am I looking to deep into it?

I think you're looking too deeply into it.  Let's review CDLVII's last post...

What. Who tried to kill me!?

Okay so... asuming that it wasn't Lavarinth trying to kill me and figuring that Lavarinth Clone was just a morph dude...
but at the same time... Lav could've been the poisonous smoker... wait what happens if a Mafia dude finds the morpher morphing into the mafia dude?

I assume Lav and I are not Mafia, thus I too vote to lynch Thalraxal!

"...thus I too vote...".  As the only one who voted to lynch me yesterday, it seems kind of odd that he'd choose that kind of language.  I think he wasn't paying too much attention to the game and just got Mucky and I confused or something.

Ah, and as I was digging up the quote from yesterday, Aek said the same thing I just said.  Thanks Aek!

[ShadowFlare]

The ideal circumstance at this point would probably be able to lynch the mafia guy who still has an evil detective on his side (assuming they are on their side and only one side and know who they are), so the remaining evil detective's identity is unknown to all, and thus possibly a target for being killed at night.  Unless the evil detective can also kill, of course.  In that case, it would probably be better if the one that is alone gets lynched.

[Milldawg]

I like ShadowFlare's analysis of Thalraxal. Unless he is an EVIL MASTERMIND, he didn't notice tipereth was dead. HOWEVER, it is possible he is still a killer, and that his team was the one that targeted CDLVII, so unfortunately it cannot be used as evidence of his innocence, only that he was likely not on the team that targeted tipereth.

I think the reason CDLVII assumed Lavarinth was innocent is that he morphed into Lav, but I think his reasoning was simply mistaken. Unless his doppelganger ability was really unusual, my guess is that CDLVII can't be killed if he morphs into anyone when he is targeted, regardless of who he morphs into, which has nothing to do with the identity of the person he morphed into. So that doesn't absolve Lavarinth either.

As for Lavarinth voting me, and Aekenon's persistence on this issue, I think it's pretty clear that everyone was being silly. If you keep pushing Lavarinth on this minor issue, I'll suspect YOU more than him.

Unfortunately, this STILL leaves us with little evidence. I am feeling slightly favorable toward AA7 currently and slightly uneasy about Aekenon, though...and that's enough for me to vote Aekenon. For now.

[Lavarinth]

You're very pushy on calling me out, Aek... As mentioned, Milldawg voted for me, so I voted for him, I initally voted for Ricky, just like others did, and I simply didn't adjust my vote since Mucky was already doomed so what was the point? I would be dumb to leave my vote on Milldawg in hopes of it ACTUALLY working, you and I both know that.

But you did leave your vote on Milldawg.  It was a curious thing, so I brought it up.  Sorry if I'm being too "pushy" for you... but you still didn't answer why you just left it there.  I mean, if it were me in your position, I probably would have at least switched it back to Ricky after getting over the shock of Milldawg suddenly voting against me.  Like I said earlier though... I could just be thinking too much about something that doesn't mean anything.  Right?

That's easy.. He voted for me? I left it there because there was no point in switching it other than to join the bandwagon, since Mucky was going to be lynched anyway. If I knew you'd nit-pick my not changing my vote in the end even though it was clear Mucky wouldn't see the night, I would of made sure to change it. I think you're looking for any exit you can get to get out of a red zone. So in that sense, I vote to lynch Aekenon, as well. Don't worry, I'll make sure to change it this time if it's favoring someone else.

[ShadowFlare]

Anyway, for now I think I will vote to lynch AA7.

[Milldawg]

Any reason?