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Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:23 pm
by mAc Chaos
Frosty and Ricky went MIA.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:56 pm
by Lavarinth
You all are fools. You let Mucky, an Observer, die. How do I know this? Obviously, I am the other Observer. How else wold I know AA7 is clearly a Zealot and nothing else? Lynch me, and you will all die from now on. Let me live, and if the Arbiter does not cloak me, you will all surely fall. This is the beginning of the end, brothers.
If I die, know this: AA7 will never be guilty of anything. With my own final moments, I point at you who accuses me, AA7, and label you as the most innocent and pure of us all.
I abstain.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:20 am
by Ricky_Honejasi
I still vote for Mac. I still see no real reason to change my vote from last round.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:04 am
by mAc Chaos
Lavarinth wrote:
You all are fools. You let Mucky, an Observer, die. How do I know this? Obviously, I am the other Observer. How else wold I know AA7 is clearly a Zealot and nothing else? Lynch me, and you will all die from now on. Let me live, and if the Arbiter does not cloak me, you will all surely fall. This is the beginning of the end, brothers.
If I die, know this: AA7 will never be guilty of anything. With my own final moments, I point at you who accuses me, AA7, and label you as the most innocent and pure of us all.
I abstain.
Unless you're just making it up, of course... You would've had to check Mucky the night he died and AA7 right after. How convenient.
Fine, Ricky, you want it, you got it. I vote
Ricky.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:38 am
by Aekenon
Bah. Though I suspected Lavarinth, as always I must step back and consider his story for a bit.
I'd like to hear from AA7. To be honest, the way he so earnestly swore Lavarinth was a Dark Templar had me believing he could be an Observer who investigated him earlier. Of course, if this is true then Lavarinth is lying. So AA7, if you're an Observer, let us know now, and it would clear up everything. I realize this would put you at risk if it were true, but understand how many lives it would save if we could finger a Dark Templar with certainty. And let us know if my theory is not true, lest we risk lynching a true Observer.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:39 am
by Thalraxal
Yeah, I'd like to hear from AA7 on all this too. I'm not sure I trust Lav at all right now, but I don't want to risk lynching an innocent Protoss. Especially an Observer. Looking at the people he identified:
Aek: You've pretty much been running around since Day 1 saying "I'm a Zealot!", so that's not a hard one to figure out. Also, we all know you're innocent, the Dark Templar have tried to kill you. If he did know what you were (confirming the already overwhelming evidence) it makes his earlier accusations against you seem really out of place.
Mucky: Lav says he was an Observer, but since he's dead he can't confirm or deny this. If Lav is telling the truth, this must be extra frustrating for him, because Mucky would be the only one who would know for sure that he wasn't lying. If he is lying, and Mucky wasn't an Observer, then it also means that Lav could accuse the true Observers of lying and possibly get away with it.
AA7: Here, I know he's wrong. It's obvious that AA7 isn't a Zealot. Anyone can see that. He's quite clearly a Dragoon!
So we're in an interesting spot. If he's telling the truth and he is the last Observer, then we really can't afford to lose him. If he's lying and he's just desperate to save himself then we really can't afford to keep him around and risk having him lead us astray.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:39 pm
by AA7Dragoon
Brethren, I shall explain to you Lavarinth's deception. In the very beginning, Mucky, whom we now know is innocent, suggested "we all abstain" to sharpen our accuracy of discovering them better. Lavarinth said this:
However, here we have Mucky instantly jumping for a resolution of "let's all abstain." I'm sorry, but as brave as a statement that may be, it also makes you seem questionable.
Just hours later, Lavarinth's mind quickly changes to:
...does have a valid point if you understand where Mucky's going on with this. I'll abstain without issue at all. I'm afraid of accusing the wrong person- Simple enough.
There was a change of strategy by the Dark Templar where Lavarinth went into agreement with another Protoss from shifting his suspicions of Mucky. Then came the morning of Mucky and Taeradun's death:
I'm sorry- I can't hold you innocent anymore Aekenon considering you, yourself, are claiming you're innocent while you suspect the rest of us
There is no logic that our brother Aekenon, who was nearly killed by the Dark Templar, would be a Dark Templar himself, according to Lavarinth. Then, Lavarinth quickly realized his error and "apologized" to Aekenon. Then, his desperation reached new bounds:
I would not do that, AA7. I know you. I know you are a Zealot.
However, at least my outburst led me to realize you [Aekenon] are also a Zealot, like AA7, not an Arbiter.
And the most damning evidence of all:
You all are fools. You let Mucky, an Observer, die. How do I know this? Obviously, I am the other Observer.
May I remind you once more of an earlier quote Lavarinth said of Mucky:
...here we have Mucky instantly jumping for a resolution of "let's all abstain." I'm sorry, but as brave as a statement that may be, it also makes you seem questionable.
My brothers, if both Mucky and Lavarinth were Observers, why would Lavarinth accuse Mucky of suspicion? Why would Lavarinth reveal himself as an Observer, and make himself an obvious target by 3 Dark Templar who still have the power to kill 2 of us at night? How could Lavarinth already know the roles of Aekenon and myself (two deciding votes) perfectly in two nights? And even if it were true, why would Lavarinth accuse Aekenon of being Dark Templar but know he is "also a Zealot?"
Because brothers, Lavarinth is not a reckless Observer endangering our chances to discover the Dark Templar.
He is Dark Templar. Which is why I ask Ricky and mAc to put away their differences, and see the evil which is staring at us in the face!
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:18 pm
by mAc Chaos
I don't think I can, since I already made my vote... but if enough people choose someone then it should override our votes anyway.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:19 pm
by Negi
Lavarinth, if you are an observer, tell me exactly who you investigated in a PM
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:59 pm
by ShadowFlare
Didn't Milldawg say that isn't allowed?
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:01 pm
by Lavarinth
There wont be any PM's. I already told you who I investigated. Mucky and AA7. Due to your accusation, AA7, you will also likely die soon as well, considering no Dark Templar will still be eliminated. Accusing Mucky was a cover up while we discussed in private who to observe, however this was soon abolished by the Gods as it was deemed unfair. Yes, I did discover the Observer quickly, and by luck might I add. AA7, you are not confirming you are a Zealot. Please, do so. There is no reason to hide it. I know for a fact you are not a Dark Templar, Observer, or Arbiter. You are one strong with will.
Yes, I accused Mucky. It was on purpose. He investigated Aekenon, I believe, I do not fully recall, and there was no harm to be found on him as well. But I only recollected this recently. His plans were to investigate Negi the following night, but alas, the results of this didn't appear for obvious reasons.
mAc, you can change your vote until voting has finalized. Out of spite, AA7, I would vote for you, that would be the way of things. However, I can't bare to vote for you because I know for a fact you are a Zealot.
To be frank- I lost track of a lot of things. For one, I misinterpreted Mucky's posts as Negi, even though I investigated Mucky and knew he was an Observer, so then I had to come up with an excuse to not appear stupid, so I said I understand where he is going with this. Aekenon, if Mucky investigated him (discussion was through IM's I no longer have, not PMs) is also innocent, which is why I have backed away from accusing him as well. AA7, after my investigation, I know you are in fact innocent, and hopefully if any death were to come to you it'd be by the hands of the Dark Templar, and not your brethren accusing you because you are the most innocent of them all.
Finish this. My lack of proper memory has led me to appear deceptive. I cannot ask you to forgive me for this. Know that your world will be darker without me to clear the fog of war, however, as Mucky has also as well passed on. Only the Arbiters will be left to protect you. And now, naming you AA7, and likely (but not entirely sure,) Aekenon to be innocent, your two lives are also at stake.
I continue to abstain.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:15 pm
by ShadowFlare
I believe you probably shouldn't be allowed to reveal any information you acquired through cheating, or it should be considered irrelevant, at least, even if it is something that will help us. Delete it before anyone else has a chance to see it. We should win fairly, and not through deceitful means.
btw, I think Milldawg said votes in bold are final.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:08 pm
by Milldawg
VOTES IN BOLD ARE FINAL. You cannot change your vote once you have voted in bold. So Mac and Ricky are stuck voting for each other. Negi's vote wasn't in bold, so he can change it.
And yes, PMing other players about the game is NOT ALLOWED except between Dark Templar, and then only at NIGHT. Obviously I can't enforce this, as I've said, but that's why we have the Khala. It's a code of honor.
As for Lavarinth's speech, there are no restrictions on what you are allowed to say in the public forum. I will not comment on the content of what Lavarinth said, I will just reinforce that you're allowed to say anything you want. Any lingering confusions will be cleared up at the end of the game.
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:11 pm
by Lavarinth
ShadowFlare wrote:
I believe you probably shouldn't be allowed to reveal any information you acquired through cheating, or it should be considered irrelevant, at least, even if it is something that will help us. Delete it before anyone else has a chance to see it. We should win fairly, and not through deceitful means.
btw, I think Milldawg said votes in bold are final.
It wasn't cheating at the time. That rule was placed after and at that point we followed along and stopped. Milldawg wasn't sure what to do yet at that time in terms of communication.
Milldawg wrote:
VOTES IN BOLD ARE FINAL. You cannot change your vote once you have voted in bold. So Mac and Ricky are stuck voting for each other. Negi's vote wasn't in bold, so he can change it.
And yes, PMing other players about the game is NOT ALLOWED except between Dark Templar, and then only at NIGHT. Obviously I can't enforce this, as I've said, but that's why we have the Khala. It's a code of honor.
As for Lavarinth's speech, there are no restrictions on what you are allowed to say in the public forum. I will not comment on the content of what Lavarinth said, I will just reinforce that you're allowed to say anything you want. Any lingering confusions will be cleared up at the end of the game.
Votes in bold are final? That's lame

[me=Lavarinth]looks at Edit button.[/me]
Re: MAFIA VII - PROTOSS MAFIA
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:44 pm
by Milldawg
I said it at the beginning. If you're not sure who to vote for, wait until you're ready.