The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Who do you think was/is more badass?

The Overmind
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65%
Kerrigan
6
35%
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Thalraxal » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:05 pm

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Sodon wrote: Actually, you are probably right. The Overmind and the Zerg were weaker. This is why the zerg sought out the Terrans.

(Distance is so overlooked in StarCraft that it's easily confusing. The Zerg originated near our galaxy's core, which is many hundreds of thousands of light years away from the Outer Rim, which would include the Koprulu sector and the "fringe world" of Auir. Even if the humans and protoss lived at the edge of the galaxy, though, they are easily hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of light years apart. Stars are rarely much closer together than that. Which is all to say: people in StarCraft travel very fast. But it's also to say that the Koprulu Sector had to have been a detour. The Zerg went there very purposefully.)

Kerrigan was thus the missing link, meant to meld the two races into a force powerful enough to face the protoss, and effectively skip the arduous process of assimilating the entire human race. The latent psychic abilities of the humans is probably key here.

Curious. I'd like to explore the possibility that in assimilating Kerrigan, the Overmind overstepped. Rather than consume humanity, it has become consumed by it. Are the zerg now more human than not?
More human than not -- I think that's partly true. Zerg creatures are still killer instinct automatons. Kerrigan made them do 'human'-like things. Raiding colonies for resources, killing specific targets. The Swarm sans Kerrigan would never go at such lengths without consuming the entire planet, and thereby effectively expanding their empire. If Kerrigan were to die, the Swarm would evolve again (I actually have a story idea for something like that lying around) and restore their former hierarchy of power.

If anything, the zerg have gained human qualities (through Kerrigan): greed and whimsicality.

No more decisions based on calculations (i.e. nature's way), but decisions based on one mind's judgment. If Kerrigan's leadership remains intact, the Swarm will fall.
I think its the other way around: if Kerrigan dies then the swarm will fall apart. The cerebrates are dead and unless the zerg find a way to grow cerebrates like other buildings then they would just go rampant and eventually kill their selves off or slowly revert to their original forms
Well, it looks like the Swarm's screwed then.  Damned if they do, damned if they don't.  Assuming the Swarm was left leaderless (no more Infested Terrans like Kerrigan to boss things around), I'd assume that one of the more intelligent strains (Overlords, Queens, Defilers) would evolve to fill the gap.

Although, if the Xel'Naga really are coming back like the previews claim, then they could just make a new Overmind.  Although, considering that the Original Overmind ate, killed, and assimilated most of their species, I'm not sure why they'd do that. 

@Omega20: I forgotten about Gorn getting the chop, it's been a long time since I last played the original Protoss campaign.  I only replayed the Terran and Zerg campaigns when I started the ACMDs.  Kerrigan actually states both possibilities though: that Daggoth ordered the merging, and that Daggoth was part of them merging at different times.  They're really kind of vague on the whole thing.  Heck, Kerrigan's a pretty unreliable narrator for the whole process anyway.  She probably started the Brood War 'cause Daggoth didn't invite her to the Super Secret Cerebrates-Only Overmind Creation Party.

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Sodon » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:33 pm

Without any centralized hive mind, it's doubtful the Zerg would do anything. The Xel'naga created the Overmind.
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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Thalraxal » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:56 am

Sodon wrote: Without any centralized hive mind, it's doubtful the Zerg would do anything. The Xel'naga created the Overmind.
It's implied that before the Overmind, the Zerg had some sort of rudimentary intelligence.  Heck, when the Xel'Naga created the Overmind in the first place, it wasn't supposed to be as intelligent as it became.  So there is a precedent for semi-sentient Zerg developing beyond their limits.


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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by SidKaldor » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:01 pm

Well, it looks like the Swarm's screwed then.  Damned if they do, damned if they don't.  Assuming the Swarm was left leaderless (no more Infested Terrans like Kerrigan to boss things around), I'd assume that one of the more intelligent strains (Overlords, Queens, Defilers) would evolve to fill the gap.
Well, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe "The Swarm" as its current Kerrigan/Cerebrate hierarchy might be gone, but I feel that the zerg aren't going anywhere in a while, because the zerg always have the advantage of being unified and less prone to in-fighting, so in a potential scenerio (such as in Resurgence), they could simply burrow and wait, whereas in the case of the Terran and Protoss, as soon as they lack a common enemy they swallow themselves up by constant in-fighting.
There's also a part of me that wants to believe, even though I'm pretty sure it's wrong, that Duran is really the Original Overmind who reincarnated himself as an Infested Terran.
Dude! Thats one of the same theories I had in the beginning, but then again, I don't think Blizzard is bringing back the Overmind or Tassadar anytime soon after the whole Brood Wars story

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Lavarinth » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:30 pm

Blizzard is known for reviving dead characters.
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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Legion » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:00 am

Lavarinth wrote: Blizzard is known for reviving dead characters.
True.  I wish they'd revive Fenix.  Fenix should not have died like a dog as he did in Brood War.  Was it to get rid of the only true Klingon-like warrior protoss?  Same with Aldaris.  They were PROTOSS.

Now the protoss are just humans with funny heads.

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Thalraxal » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:44 am

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Lavarinth wrote: Blizzard is known for reviving dead characters.
True.  I wish they'd revive Fenix.  Fenix should not have died like a dog as he did in Brood War.  Was it to get rid of the only true Klingon-like warrior protoss?  Same with Aldaris.  They were PROTOSS.

Now the protoss are just humans with funny heads.
Ressurected Zerg/Protoss Hybrid Zombie Fenix.  You know it!  (Can we really expect a guy named Fenix to ever, really stay dead?)

I don't see Tassadar ever coming back, but the Overmind?  Maybe.  He was probably knew more about the Xel'Naga than anyone (considering he assimilated most of the species), and has defeated them before.  So he'd definatly be helpful if the Xel'Naga are coming back and are hostile like Zeratul suggests.

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Lavarinth » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:02 am

Tassadar's death was probably much like Adun's, where he simply.. Vanished from concentrating his power. The Protoss heavily believe Adun will return one day.
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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by chris » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:40 pm

Fenix will be back. I know it, he's a phoenix.
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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Church » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:07 pm

Thalraxal wrote: Ressurected Zerg/Protoss Hybrid Zombie Fenix.  You know it!  (Can we really expect a guy named Fenix to ever, really stay dead?)
I agree. He probably will be a Hybrid, created by none other than the obvious Duran.
chris wrote: Fenix will be back. I know it, he's a phoenix.
Ha... I agree with that too.
There's also a part of me that wants to believe, even though I'm pretty sure it's wrong, that Duran is really the Original Overmind who reincarnated himself as an Infested Terran.
Did anyone ever think that Duran may actually be particles of the Overmind AND Tassadar put together in a human shell? Zerg and Protoss mixed together inside an innocent ghost... and, being fused as they are, they feel they need to create Hybrids like themselves. I write this as I listen to Don't Be Afraid from Life of a Marine and the song and the concepts go well together. My Duran theory is most likely wrong but I still think that it would be cool.
As for the change in personality, with three telepathic brains meshed into one, it has to create an insane evil person who is very smart. Tell me what's wrong with my idea and I'll tell you how that works into it.

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Legion » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:14 pm

chris wrote: Fenix will be back. I know it, he's a phoenix.
He did that in Starcraft. It would be silly if he came back.

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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by Dem0nS1ayer » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:16 pm

Fenix rocks.  It broke my heart when he died. :(
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Re: The Overmind VS Kerrigan

Post by YamiShadow » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:58 pm

Jim_Raynor wrote: Did anyone ever think that Duran may actually be particles of the Overmind AND Tassadar put together in a human shell? Zerg and Protoss mixed together inside an innocent ghost... and, being fused as they are, they feel they need to create Hybrids like themselves. I write this as I listen to Don't Be Afraid from Life of a Marine and the song and the concepts go well together. My Duran theory is most likely wrong but I still think that it would be cool.
As for the change in personality, with three telepathic brains meshed into one, it has to create an insane evil person who is very smart. Tell me what's wrong with my idea and I'll tell you how that works into it.
its possible....
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