10 Years of Diablo II

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10 Years of Diablo II

Postby Dread » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:32 pm

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Diablo II was released on June 29, 2000, and has since established itself as the epitome of dungeon looting and hellish monster encounters. Released a decade ago and it's still running strong as we wait with baited breathes and in utter anticipation for the release of Diablo III. I for one can't wait to delve in to a new dungeon as a Wizard with friends here at CC.

Though while we're forced to wait, lets take a moment to reflect on a decade of Diablo II and share some of our fondest memories here.

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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby IskatuMesk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:45 pm

Diablo has always been and will probably always be the best of Blizzard's writing and art direction by a long shot. So long as they don't turn D3 into SC2 and cartoonify everything like they want to.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby thebrowncloud » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:21 pm

Best writing? There was very little writing to go by. Out of their three universes, Diablo is the most reserved. Almost all the lore is spent on the bosses you fight throughout, which are usually one-time deals that aren't to be heard from again. The series also, IMO, has a lacking roster of identifiable characters; those being Diablo (with his two brothers in D2), Deckard Cain, and Tyrael. I'm simply speaking in my own opinion, but I think Diablo is a gem of gameplay (and art, but they are all unique styles). If I want story, I go to StarCraft.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby IskatuMesk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:24 pm

That's exactly why Diablo is the best - they haven't destroyed it yet. It has enough mystery for character-driven expansion but Metzen hasn't gotten his grubby hands on green-colored everything yet.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby Lavarinth » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:26 pm

I'm more than impatient to hear the rest of the story. The lore from the manuals was great.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby Dread » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:37 pm

Lavarinth wrote:I'm more than impatient to hear the rest of the story. The lore from the manuals was great.


Blizzard doesn't read their own manuals. We're bound to see some awesome retcons. ;D
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby WB » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:01 pm

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Lavarinth wrote:I'm more than impatient to hear the rest of the story. The lore from the manuals was great.


Blizzard doesn't read their own manuals. We're bound to see some awesome retcons. ;D


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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby IskatuMesk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:18 pm

"Yeah, as it turns out, you didn't actually go to Hell and kill Diablo or smash his soulstone or anything. Actually, let's just forget Soulstones exist altogether."
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby thebrowncloud » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:30 pm

IskatuMesk wrote:That's exactly why Diablo is the best - they haven't destroyed it yet. It has enough mystery for character-driven expansion but Metzen hasn't gotten his grubby hands on green-colored everything yet.
I suppose that is true. And Diablo 3 will certainly tell a lot of story for those characters. But there were a lot of NPCs that seemed to have interesting histories that I would love to know more about. Ormus and Natalya in Act III, specifically, were the ones I wanted to know more about. Fara in Act II would have been cool to see as well, since Deckard Cain seemed suspicious of her. I like mystery, but not when it never gets revealed. It's like at the end of Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Was the whole movie real? Or did he dream it? Stories with things left up to the viewer's imagination feel incomplete to me.  :-\
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby WB » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:40 pm

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IskatuMesk wrote:That's exactly why Diablo is the best - they haven't destroyed it yet. It has enough mystery for character-driven expansion but Metzen hasn't gotten his grubby hands on green-colored everything yet.
I suppose that is true. And Diablo 3 will certainly tell a lot of story for those characters. But there were a lot of NPCs that seemed to have interesting histories that I would love to know more about. Ormus and Natalya in Act III, specifically, were the ones I wanted to know more about. Fara in Act II would have been cool to see as well, since Deckard Cain seemed suspicious of her. I like mystery, but not when it never gets revealed. It's like at the end of Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Was the whole movie real? Or did he dream it? Stories with things left up to the viewer's imagination feel incomplete to me.  :-\


Or you can appreciate them a work of art. It doesn't have to make sense or have every mystery explained. You don't need to know why, you should be happy that it simply is.

I prefer to look at every sequel as a standalone work of art. The first game is a complete experience. The second should feel the same, the reason most sequels suck is because they lack the substance of the original. D2 avoided this pitfall magnificently, so did WC2. WC3 also did well, if you look at it as standalone. WoW is a different creature, as a standalone work, its great for those who like the genre.

Starcraft 1 had so much substance throughout, SC2 has a lot of work to do to NOT feel empty. It doesn't have to be better than. its already hard enough being as good. Thats the only mark it needs to hit. Everything else is gravy.

As for total recall, that was on purpose. The whole point is to make YOU think. Not every movie is for a potato.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby IskatuMesk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:12 pm

Sc2 has already failed hard to the bottom of the pit with THE ARTIFACTS ARE THE KEY TO THE END OF ALL THINGS. No matter which way you look at it that's a death scream.

A sequel is a continuation of something that already exists. Otherwise it wouldn't be called Diablo 3, it'd be called Something-Like-Diablo-But-Not-Diablo.

Sc1 had substance, Brood War did away with it, so far SC2 has been caught emptying a canister of gasoline on the remains.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby WB » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:11 pm

Brood War's problem was way too much shit coming out of left field. The one thing they did really well was to make it feel a lot different compared to the original, which I liked.

Final Fantasy 7 is not a continuation of Final fantasy 6. :D Think of them more like that, you'll be able to appreciate them more.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby thebrowncloud » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:17 pm

Come to think of it, I guess that is a good point as well. Reading that made me compare games like Half-Life 2 and Modern Warfare in terms of story. One of the reasons why Half-Life 2 is so much better is because there are unknowns and little nuances that give the game character, yet aren't fully explained. Modern Wardare is straightforward and to the point all the time, thus making it a characterless, awful story. But I digress. I got caught up in the NPCs of Diablo that I kinda side-tracked from plot. The story of the Diablo Universe itself is good, but I just find the characters to lack depth often. Tyrael is the most complex of any character so far. Everyone else seems so straight forward and often 2D. Everyone's motives are laid out in front of you at every turn. All the people that give you quests just want to protect their people and Diablo and his browski just want control and power. No complex hidden agendas, no real plans for anything after you run their errand for them. "You killed the Countess? Oh good! So now that she's out of the way, we'll leave her castle alone and you can go kill somebody else on my list of villains." The concept of a war between Heaven and Hell with the living caught in between is a great premise and has such potential and an already great atmosphere, but the writing itself seems lacking in true, complex motive.

Now that I think about it, having the ending of Total Recall be "Oh it was all just a dream. None of it ever happened," would be pretty lame..... I dunno. I just don't like ambiguity at the end of my stories.
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Re: 10 Years of Diablo II

Postby IskatuMesk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:03 pm

I think a part of the problem with d2's characters laid in their extremely limited quest system. As it is so deeply hardcoded into the game they couldn't have changed it further down the line even if they wanted to. It's one of the most desired things d2 modders want to change, but you literally need to rebuild huge chunks of the game to even get access to it. I Imagine Blizzard at some point wanted to develop the characters more but by then it was too late. In that sense I agree - I'd like to have seen more out of the individual characters.
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