Hercanic's SC2 Beta Exposure! (Scandalous!)

[RazorclawX]

Who the heck honestly wants to play against the computer, anyway?

[Xelxiuz]

The desperate people who want to taste SC2 no matter the cost? The people who want to fiddle with the units? I don't know?

[Hercanic]

With the Infestor, I built a Nexus and Command Center in a test game to see how certain aspects of the races overlapped.

• The Terran AI continues to build the CC even when no longer parasited.
• Only Terran units can enter a Bunker. Hm, forgot to try the Nydus Network.
• Repair works on Protoss mechanical units and buildings.
• Medivac healing can be used on all biologicals, including Mutalisks and Roaches. Crap, didn't test Zerg buildings. I'm not sure if they're listed as biological, though.
• Like SC1, the type of gas container a worker holds depends on which race built on the geyser. An SCV coming out of an Assimilator looks like he's holding a green jello cube.
• Unlike SC1, supply is shared. You do not get separate supply per race.
• Chrono Boost can still be cast on your non-Protoss buildings.
• Mass Recall will move sieged Siege Tanks and burrowed Zerg.

[Hercanic]

What does a range of 5 really mean? I theorized that it might correspond to the same grid system seen when placing buildings. First, my basic comparison setup:

[imgwh 640x400]http://www.modcrafters.com/sc2/screensh ... Ranges.jpg[/imgwh]

Each unit is attacking a rapidly regenerating burrowed Roach. First in line is another Roach with a range of 3. Behind him is a Hydralisk at a range of 5. The Viking has a range of 6, the Void Ray 7, and the Carrier 8. To test my hypothesis, the next test used a line of Creep Tumors, which take up one grid and can be walked over.

[imgwh 640x400]http://www.modcrafters.com/sc2/screensh ... anges2.jpg[/imgwh]

As we can see, there are roughly three Tumors between the target and the Roach/Queen. The Queen, who also has a range of 3 like the Roach, was brought in to compare what difference unit size makes. The Hydralisk is five Tumors away; so on and so forth. It would appear my hunch is correct; if not exact, it is pretty darn close. The discrepancies are likely due to not knowing where the exact beginning and end of the measurement is made, be it from the center of the target to the weapon hardpoint of the attacker, or its collision box, or whatever.

[imgwh 640x400]http://www.modcrafters.com/sc2/screensh ... anges3.jpg[/imgwh]

If we measure the pixels of one grid, we can draw up some comparisons to SC1.

[Lavarinth]

There's an option to enable grids in build mode, could be useful.

[Hercanic]

Bonus Damage Chart
(with SC1 for comparison)

In development

Zerg          

Corruptor

12

+10 massive

Spine Crawler

20

+10 armored

Baneling¹

15

+20 light

Baneling²

80 special building attack

Ultralisk

60 special building attack

-
-

Protoss

Archon

25

+10 biological

Immortal

20

+30 armored

Stalker

8

+6 armored

Void Ray

2

+4 armored

Phoenix

5

+5*2 light

-
-

Terran

Marauder

10

+10 armored

Missile Turret

7

+7*2 armored

Siege Tank (T Mode)

15

+10 armored

Viking (Air)

10

+4*2 armored

Ghost

10

+10 light

Thor (Air)

10

+6*4 light

Hellion

8

+6 light

Reaper¹

4

+5*2 light

Reaper²

30 special building attack



SC1 Zerg          

Sunken Colony

20

+20 large

Hydralisk

5

+5 large

Devourer

12.5

+12.5 large

Infested Terran

250

+250 large

-
-

SC1 Protoss

Dragoon

10

+10 large

Scout (Air)

7

+7*2 large

Corsair

2.5

+2.5 large

Arbiter

5

+5 large

-
-

SC1 Terran

Firebat

2

+6*2 small

Ghost

2.5

+7.5 small

Vulture

5

+15 small

Siege Tank (T Mode)

15

+15 large

Siege Tank (S Mode)

35

+35 large

Goliath (Air)

5

+5*2 large

Wraith (Air)

10

+10 large

Valkyrie

3

+3*6 large

Missile Turret

10

+10 large

Spider Mine

62.5

+62.5 large

Yamato Gun

130

+130 large

Nuclear Missile

300

+300 large



SC1 Medium Units
Being so few, it is easy to list them all here. To avoid clutter, I did not include the bonus damage against medium on the main chart, but figuring it out is simple. For explosive damage, which is near every unit on the chart, add half of the base damage. For concussive damage, which is all of three units (Firebat, Ghost, Vulture), add the base damage (or multiply by two).

• Vulture
• Corsair
• Hydralisk
• Lurker
• Queen
• Defiler
• Zerg Egg
• Lurker Egg

[thebrowncloud]

• Medivac healing can be used on all biologicals, including Mutalisks and Roaches. Crap, didn't test Zerg buildings. I'm not sure if they're listed as biological, though.

Really? Are you sure? Cause I remember reading in an interview from a little while back that roach regen and medivac don't stack. I could be wrong, though. I just remember that Blizz mentioned that particular case at some point.

[Xenon]

I think that was at the point when they had the rapid regen all the time, without needing burrow or upgrades. Not sure how they would implement that anyway. Would the Medivac waste its energy on the Roach anyway in that case?

[thebrowncloud]

I think that was at the point when they had the rapid regen all the time, without needing burrow or upgrades. Not sure how they would implement that anyway. Would the Medivac waste its energy on the Roach anyway in that case?

From what I understand, the medivac healing and roach regen were supposed to both be effects that apply to units. So the roach would permanently have that effect on it and the medivac spell would just give it to units as long as it was stilling casting. Since they were the same effect, they wouldn't stack. But I think they just made the medivac heal now with no middle-man effect. It most likely wouldn't have wasted its energy because the roach would have already been receiving the effect and thus leaving no point in giving it again.

[Lavarinth]

Roach regen only occurs when burrowed, and the regen is so fast a medivac stack wouldn't matter.

[Hercanic]

Really? Are you sure? Cause I remember reading in an interview from a little while back that roach regen and medivac don't stack. I could be wrong, though. I just remember that Blizz mentioned that particular case at some point.

Yep, I'm definately sure. I had read that same interview, which is why I tested it and specifically mentioned the Roaches.

• Medivac healing even works on burrowed Roaches, adding to their already insane regen rate (especially after the regen upgrade).
• Zerg buildings are in fact listed as Biological, but attemping to use Medivac healing on them gives an error message: "Cannot target structures."
• Queen's Transfusion works on any biological unit.
• The Nydus Network accepts any ground unit of any race.

[Hercanic]

During February, I had to leave Japan and was in the US when SC2 Beta began. I am now back in Japan. What differences await me on the Asian realm?

To start, there is a new pink capital A to the right of any active text field, which varies in scale depending on the size of the text field. I would wager this is for shifting character sets, such as with Japanese Romaji, Hirogana, and Katakana.

[imgwh 640x359]http://www.modcrafters.com/sc2/screensh ... PinkA1.jpg[/imgwh]
[imgwh 640x359]http://www.modcrafters.com/sc2/screensh ... PinkA2.jpg[/imgwh]

At first, my fiends list was the same as when I left America. Apparently, though, there has been a system reset recently, which wiped everyone's CID.ID friends list but left their Real ID friends intact. When I logged in after that, I had to recreate my CID.ID username. When I tried adding people I used to have, I got an error that they couldn't be found. My guess is that realms maintain separate CID.ID databases.

I am now waiting on one of my Real ID friends to sign in so I can test what will happen if we try to start a game together.

[UntamedLoli]

Hey guys,

This indicator is currently using placeholder art, which is why it is showing as bright magenta. This indicator appears when the user has IME installed for their OS. If you wish to make the indicator disappear you will need to uninstall IME.

Here is a link for some information on IME's:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/downloads/recommended/ime/default.mspx


Thank you for the reports!

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23307590901&sid=5000#4

Of course its built into the newer windows I think, mine and mesk's has it I believe.