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John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:09 am
by Larc
Who is John Titor?
As some of you may know,John Titor was the second and official nickname used for the guy who claims to be a time traveler (Timetravel_0 was the first) from the future who posted on several time-travel–related Internet bulletin boards during 2000/2001, making many predictions about events in the near future and giving an account of his supposed native time period.

His purpose
Titor was born in the 1998 at Tampa (Florida),he claimed to be an American soldier from the year 2036 based in Tampa in Hillsborough Country, who was assigned to a governmental time travel project. He had been sent back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100, a computer which he said was needed to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036; a reference to the UNIX 2038 timeout error.

He made some predictions about the Y2K disaster, the 2004 Olympics, and that America would have a second civil war,this civil war according to Titor, will then end in 2015 with a brief, but intense, World War III.
However his predictions have not been accurate.

Some of his posts:

« I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming langages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various lagacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.  » (John Titor)

"About the 2012"
« Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?  » (John Titor)

« As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same events I would call "my history" in 2036. However, the very nature of time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much in control of what you do and how you get there.  » (John Titor)

According to IBM engineer Bob Dubke, Titor's statements regarding the IBM 5100's little-known ability to emulate and debug mainframe systems were correct. Supporters state that this information was not publicly available in 2000 or 2001 when Titor made his declaration,and Titor himself stated that this feature was "discovered (or at least known after testing)" as late as 2036.

Curiosity and Conclusions
Titor declared also to have visited his family during his stay here in the 2000 and have met himself as a child.
He has been arrested for have disobeyed the orders with stopping too much in the year 2000 for personal reasons,then subsequently freed from a certain Ethan Titor (a second "time traveler") coming from the year 2118,which would have looked for him in 2005/6 affirming that John Titor in his epoch would have become a hero.

March 24th, 2001,Titor announced that he would return back in his future,and he has not got back anymore on Internet.
According to the mother of Titor (appeared on the forum after the missing of the son), a video of his time-car would exist,but this has not been publicly released or inspected by neutrale childbirths.
There are also some photos of his stuff on the Internet,and a copy of his original posts on the forums,but I don't remember where I've seen them,just google them if you are interested.

So the question is,his he a real time-traveler or a brillant cheater?

This is an italian documentary called Voyager that will summarize all this story with some good actors,and also with the comments of some expert opinionists.If you understand the italian language watch it,it's interesting.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdRl6j1ZsHE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnHdxMr3 ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmMS3BC ... re=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9qFNtF9 ... re=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBeQN5ZQ ... re=related

More info on the Official Website: http://www.johntitor.com/

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:10 am
by tipereth
It's bullshit. Time travel is impossible.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:57 am
by Larc
tipereth wrote:It's bullshit. Time travel is impossible.


well,many things can seem impossible today....but also curing some illness years ago was considered impossible...

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:13 am
by Lavarinth
tipereth wrote:It's bullshit. Time travel is impossible.


Possible- Just not now. Although when you think about it, if eventually we can time travel, does that mean all these events in the world are already predetermined and, alongside that, modified to work with whoever invited time traveling?

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:19 pm
by Marco
Slingshot around the sun, activate the Stargate when a solar flare occurs, Deloreon going 88mph?  I have tried all these methods and they simply do not work.  Science fiction is nothing more than superstition. 

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:15 pm
by tipereth
Lavarinth wrote:
tipereth wrote:It's bullshit. Time travel is impossible.


Possible- Just not now. Although when you think about it, if eventually we can time travel, does that mean all these events in the world are already predetermined and, alongside that, modified to work with whoever invited time traveling?


Time travel is impossible. Period. The end. Modern science is pretty good at differentiating between 'we can do it in the next millennium' and 'impossible'.
If time travel were possible, at all, then where are all the time travelers? "Oh but there's really strict restrictions on it etc future mind government" Bullshit. If it were possible then at some point in time everyone would have access to it and there would be time travelers. But there aren't. So it isn't. QED.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:34 pm
by Zilla-
Desler wrote:Slingshot around the sun, activate the Stargate when a solar flare occurs, Deloreon going 88mph?  I have tried all these methods and they simply do not work.  Science fiction is nothing more than superstition. 


So about that stargate.... I want one too.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:39 pm
by Mr.
Dude, he's fake.  I'm from the future, and John Titor isn't there.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:55 pm
by WB
Wow. That is so old.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:06 pm
by Jadefang
I have a speech from John Titor attached to this post. It is everything he ever had to say in one file. ;)

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:42 am
by Larc
tipereth wrote:
Lavarinth wrote:
tipereth wrote:It's bullshit. Time travel is impossible.


Possible- Just not now. Although when you think about it, if eventually we can time travel, does that mean all these events in the world are already predetermined and, alongside that, modified to work with whoever invited time traveling?


Time travel is impossible. Period. The end. Modern science is pretty good at differentiating between 'we can do it in the next millennium' and 'impossible'.
If time travel were possible, at all, then where are all the time travelers? "Oh but there's really strict restrictions on it etc future mind government" Bullshit. If it were possible then at some point in time everyone would have access to it and there would be time travelers. But there aren't. So it isn't. QED.


Time travel is possible. For example, an object traveling at high speeds ages more slowly than a stationary object. This means that if you were to travel into outer space and return, moving close to light speed, you could travel thousands of years into the Earth's future.

So the questions are:
Is time real? Does it flow in one direction only?
Does it have a beginning or an end?
What is eternity?
None of these questions can be answered by scientists'

Warbringer87 wrote:Wow. That is so old.


Yes it's old,but consider that this event has recieved the media's attention at the end of 2006.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:21 am
by tipereth
The relativistic effect is not time travel. You are not moving from one point in time to another, you're just moving very very fast. In addition, it only happens when objects begin to approach the speed of light. There is no way in the known universe to accelerate an object (of ANY mass) to such a speed, because doing so would violate energy conservation along with several other laws of physics. So it's impossible.

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:40 am
by Larc
tipereth wrote:The relativistic effect is not time travel. You are not moving from one point in time to another, you're just moving very very fast. In addition, it only happens when objects begin to approach the speed of light. There is no way in the known universe to accelerate an object (of ANY mass) to such a speed, because doing so would violate energy conservation along with several other laws of physics. So it's impossible.


Actually the Time Travel involves a relativistic effect. The time actually slows down if you travel incredibly fast. In that case, if you could go fast enough in a rocket ship far out into space and then back, you (with your slowed time effect) might think that one year had passed, while the Earth had experienced 500 years! So, you would again be in that future world, but again, you would have no possible way to get back here. And, "fast enough" means incredibly fast. You know how the spaceships that we launch into orbit travel around 17,000 miles per hour, three hundred times as fast as cars travel? Now, imagine getting the spaceship up to a speed 20,000 times as fast as the orbiting satellites! You would START getting to the speeds necessary for a serious benefit of time changes.

"The formula of Einstein of the 1905"
The formula says that with the increase of the speed also the distortion increases.
Touching the speed of the light, dizzy 300.000 km to the second, the time reduces his speed up almost to stop.
Translated in experience human, wide distortions of the time take to a few rather strange backgrounds.

For now there is no way to do such a thing,but in the future? who knows? nothing is impossible...

Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:39 am
by Taeradun
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Re: John Titor...real time traveler or brilliant cheater?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:58 am
by Larc
What is this,a warning?
1) You aren't a mod...so your opinion means nothing.
2) What problems do you have? If you don't like this topic,just don't read it....