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Re: Hots taem

Postby SteakofStake » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:36 pm

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FUCK

Also that tracer game was tough for me because I don't really play her enough, and the li-ming would all-in on me and 1 shot me with her combo.

One thing that I noticed every game was that the team with the sylvanas always had that advantage, and that bill is pretty decent with her. sylv seems to deal the most amount of ambient and siege damage out of the specialists, as well with her ults being great utilities.

Also, I can record videos when we don't have a krazy man if you ever want me to

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:03 pm

if you want to dive li-ming as tracer you expend 1 dash to come in, then dash out after a moment when you think she'll drop q or w, then run around behind her. The teleport damage isn't enough to kill you, and no li-ming goes my all-in damage build so you shouldn't need to worry about on-hit. Just remember that there are probably easier targets for you to get in that case (like zagara or false dad).
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Re: Hots taem

Postby SteakofStake » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:11 pm

I'm just not good at tracer, nor do I really want to since I favor playing other assassins

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:55 pm

I am shit at tracer, I kind of expected to be shit at her but I am much more about abusing range and terrain which she can't really do.
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Re: Hots taem

Postby Krazy » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:46 pm

Observation: I need to not be Nazeebo when we have a weak front line.

Since Bill was surprised, here's four heroes I will generally always be fine to play. When people pick Murky/Tracer/Whatever, if I'm on damage I should switch to Sylvanas (if possible) rather than Nazeebo. If I'm on healer and I can't get Morales I'll generally pick Uther.

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Morales (particularly w/ sylvanas, raynor, valla)
Uther (particularly vs. Illidan and heavy melee builds)

Sylvanas (particularly with Murky/weak front lines)
Nazeebo (particularly when we have a solid front line)

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:35 am

Your tassadar is level 10 so you gotta be good at him right!?!!??

I started verifying videos again and got to the one with my good murky game on immortals (link here if you want to see) which was the driving reason why I picked murky on that ranked game we lost so badly.

The ranked team was doing largely the same thing the team on this game was doing in that they were ignoring me on the immortals and I got a ton of free damage in, but the situation was flipped where we were ultra far behind due to their sylvanas 5man push early game. But against certain comps and people who don't try to race damage murky with slime advantage is really abusive on that map. The bigger thing I don't know about is when I should split push or help fighting as murky. It seems like murky is little more than a minor annoyance on anything he can't play denial on (like towers or tribute) and should focus on exp until 10... but if your team is getting wrecked 0-10 it feels shitty not being able to help (similar with abathur, really).

Chromie on towers worked so disgustingly well but any map you need siege on I would never take her.

GOSH I ENCODED THE SAME VIDEO TWICE WTF
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Re: Hots taem

Postby SteakofStake » Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:14 pm

I can play a decent number of characters, but I need to buy characters like false dad, rehgar, and like 2 more, and I should try to play etc more often.

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Re: Hots taem

Postby Krazy » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:23 pm

Tassadar is playable but I have a higher win rate with Morales and Uther. I do like busting out his mecha skin when I can.

I also am 10 with Hammer, but there are very specific requirements for when I am willing to pick her, both map and composition.

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:29 pm

I feel like if we ever are running dual support it might be a good idea for one of them to be tassadar. He seems to be extremely strong at late levels. Also, Steak did pretty well with zeracool a few times. Mostly when I was abathur though.
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Re: Hots taem

Postby SteakofStake » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:45 pm

Zeratul is another character I want to buy, but like hammer I would prefer certain requirements. I think zeratul is a higher risk assassin that nova, and at the same time a safer pick, since he can one shot creep waves. I guess he also has his blink, but if you don't get a certain talent you will be using it to engage and then have no disengage.
I am still in a tossup between whether I was rehgar or false dad, but I am probably gonna get false dad since he covers so many roles damage-wise and has great utility with his ult

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:49 pm

You definitely had some good plays with false dad. I don't think I've ever seen you play Reghar.

I don't really play zeratul much for the reason I tend to die a lot with him. But I consider him safer than nova since you feel like you're having a hard time you can always go darkvoid dungeon ult.
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Re: Hots taem

Postby SteakofStake » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:00 am

If you go AA zeratul, you can absolutely melt people, but its so hard to because they basically have to let you do it to them.

Speaking of melting, on the first ranked game I lost tonight, I was jaina, and I went icy veins/wintermute water elemental with vulnerability, and I just melted the diablo within 2 seconds, but he had his passive up.

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Re: Hots taem

Postby IskatuMesk » Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:27 am

ok fellers, here's the first major cast of our ranked 5s. Generally speaking I am going to invest a lot more energy into analyzing these games where it makes sense and therefore I believe all related individuals should be watching these videos, though I think most of you watch all of the videos anyways. I talk a bit about my heroes and comps and such in this.

http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/her0e ... sRK-17.mkv


I have the vast majority of our ranked games to watch still so if you want me to pay attention to a specific element or player or hero or whatever let me know!!!!!!!!

and this is game steak sent me I did a much bigger analysis on that should also be certainly watched by all involved individuals because it's all kind of a big deal. I talk about positioning and rotations and other stuff and it's really relevant material because this map is our worst winrate map in TL iirc.

http://www.gameproc.com/meskstuff/her0e ... sRK-19.mkv
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Re: Hots taem

Postby Krazy » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:25 am

Tassadar can be very good, particularly as a counter pick to Nova, Zeratul, or Tyrande. He's also great on maps where a hero has to go inside, such as a dragon shire or garden of terror. The main issue with him is the lack of a stun and the comparably low healing output. His waveclear is good making him sort of like a specialist, and he's hard to gank so in late game matches he continues to produce shields, unlike morales that is punished heavily by disruptions in positioning. I think as a counterpick to solo Tyrande, or in conjunction with Lili, Tassadar is great. I just don't like running him as solo healer, particularly vs. enemy Lili or Morales.

The other big issue with me playing him is that most of my games on him I go archon, but I think there's some maps and comps where forcefield is much better. So I would need to actually practice that at some point, and even with practice a lot of the time I think Uther would just be better.

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Re: Hots taem

Postby Krazy » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:45 am

On the srk-19 replay, I didn't really watch the whole thing carefully yet but a few thoughts:

-Vikings tend to be bad vs Diablo
-Vikings tend to have their win predicated on early level advantage being converted into an early win. If you lose advantage, and the longer the game goes, the less likely vikings will win
-That being said, Brightwing + Vikings is usually really good so a bit surprised to see brightwing being beat out by malfurion in heals.
-I'm not a big fan of Johanna as tank, personally.
-Disconnects are bad 0.o -- the worst positioning, when valla pretty much engaged alone during the terror phase, was right after brightwing disconnected which can screw up the focus of a lot of players.


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