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Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:24 pm
by Lavarinth
Grandma wrote:
Mantidz wrote:
Also, what do you guys think about quests in AoS maps? Are they necessary, take away from the game play, or do they give it more flavor?
Flavor, but not pointless side-quests, more like "hm, you can increase OUR revenue, and decrease their revenue by doing this generic task!" and maybe, that generic task, once completed, would give you additional troops to push into an enemy base.
Think sidequests on WoW battlegrounds. Like demolish towers, kill certain units to perform certain results like spells or buffs, gather lumber, gather gold, etc.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:48 pm
by tipereth
I really have no desire to go back to LoL, I put most of my more imaginative hero ideas into that crappy TS map I made, and bleh.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:06 pm
by RazorclawX
Always remember, people, that the ORIGINAL Aeon of Strife was inspired by Dynasty Warriors.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:06 pm
by Whiplash!
RazorclawX wrote:
Always remember, people, that the ORIGINAL Aeon of Strife was inspired by Dynasty Warriors.
what in dynasty warriors specifically
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:32 pm
by wibod
Mantidz wrote:
RazorclawX wrote:
Always remember, people, that the ORIGINAL Aeon of Strife was inspired by Dynasty Warriors.
what in dynasty warriors specifically
r u dum?
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:15 pm
by Lavarinth
wibod wrote:
Mantidz wrote:
RazorclawX wrote:
Always remember, people, that the ORIGINAL Aeon of Strife was inspired by Dynasty Warriors.
what in dynasty warriors specifically
r u dum?
Trudat
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:59 am
by Grandma
You know what would be fucking amazing? Stealing another idea from Dynasty Warriors;
Along with your hero, you can grab a couple bodyguards. Basically like 3-5 units that you can control, and are a little superior to the spawned guys.
It would add a little micro, and augment your hero. Like a melee hero could get a small support squad, or a ranged hero could grab some tanks to soak up damage, etc etc. Like I said, they would be insanely strong, just a little stronger then basic creeps.
Lavarinth wrote:
Think sidequests on WoW battlegrounds. Like demolish towers, kill certain units to perform certain results like spells or buffs, gather lumber, gather gold, etc.
Exactly.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:04 pm
by IskatuMesk
In LoL I had partly added World Boss encounters, but not the system to respawn or upgrade their health. Basically, you could divert from the lanes with some group members and fight these bosses, and earn bonus cash/reputation for your team. The stronger the boss, the better the reward. Of course, you might have to contend with enemy players out for the same thing...
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:39 pm
by tipereth
In my opinion, the best part of LoL was that, for the most part, every hero had a clearly defined role, and it was a viable strategy to go gank the spellcasters in the enemy creep wave. However, I really hated the neutral up-for-grabs cannons in the middle of lanes. One of the best parts of AotZ is that there aren't very many towers to contend with, and most of the combat is out in the open instead of one side hiding behind static defenses.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:45 pm
by Whiplash!
Sorry for my previous post, I meant more along the lines of what main features defined the Dynasty Warriors game.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:37 pm
by Lavarinth
Grandma wrote:
You know what would be fucking amazing? Stealing another idea from Dynasty Warriors;
Along with your hero, you can grab a couple bodyguards. Basically like 3-5 units that you can control, and are a little superior to the spawned guys.
It would add a little micro, and augment your hero. Like a melee hero could get a small support squad, or a ranged hero could grab some tanks to soak up damage, etc etc. Like I said, they would be insanely strong, just a little stronger then basic creeps.
Lavarinth wrote:
Think sidequests on WoW battlegrounds. Like demolish towers, kill certain units to perform certain results like spells or buffs, gather lumber, gather gold, etc.
Exactly.
Honestly I think it'd be better if it worked a lot more simplistic like Dynasty Warriors. Instead of actually controlling the units and giving them skills, just have the option to have them in front, besides, or behind you. Such as offensive, support, or defensive. Or attack a specific target.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:55 pm
by Grandma
Lavarinth wrote:
Honestly I think it'd be better if it worked a lot more simplistic like Dynasty Warriors. Instead of actually controlling the units and giving them skills, just have the option to have them in front, besides, or behind you. Such as offensive, support, or defensive. Or attack a specific target.
Hmm, that would be pretty neat, although I was hoping for more micro-oriented battles you know?
Oh and, here's another good thing about Dynasty Warriors that you could incorporate into your map; Captains. They could add a buff to your troops, and upon death give you a little power-up, and a buff. They could either be stationed at every group of towers, or they could just spawn every once and awhile and fight to the death.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:21 pm
by Lavarinth
Grandma wrote:
Lavarinth wrote:
Honestly I think it'd be better if it worked a lot more simplistic like Dynasty Warriors. Instead of actually controlling the units and giving them skills, just have the option to have them in front, besides, or behind you. Such as offensive, support, or defensive. Or attack a specific target.
Hmm, that would be pretty neat, although I was hoping for more micro-oriented battles you know?
Oh and, here's another good thing about Dynasty Warriors that you could incorporate into your map; Captains. They could add a buff to your troops, and upon death give you a little power-up, and a buff. They could either be stationed at every group of towers, or they could just spawn every once and awhile and fight to the death.
The thing about AoS maps is you're supposed to control one person majority of the time. And buff upon death of a captain seems incorrect, more like negative buff for death. If a team is losing.. They should be losing.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:03 pm
by RazorclawX
One thing which the spinoff Samurai Warriors utilizes heavily is capturable Gates (the things that spawn units). I've hardly ever seen an AOS utilize this concept because of symmetrical issues.
Oh yeah, one thing AOS can do is get an asymmetrical map... oh but hell, that requires actually making the computer act not as stupid.
Re: What do you like/hate in an AoS map?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:29 pm
by tipereth
Another huge thing to point out is that +stat items should be avoided at all costs.