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This is a run down interview-style overview of the famous thread known as "Somebody can tell me About CC. History?" In this thread, a simple forumer questioned the history of Campaign Creations, where many veteran forumers joined in on detailing the history. You can view what's left of the original versions via this link.
| DrumsofWar |
| JoelS wrote: |
I
just wanted to chime in and point out that there is at least one
largescale, mod-filled, huge new campaign for WC3 nearing its
completion, and that's Return of The Dragon, by Darkeagle (Darky) over
at WC3C. He also has a previous completed campaign under his belt, but
I haven't played it. I have however played some of ROTD in beta, and
found the maps pretty impressive.
The scale of the project alone is prasieworthy. Darky has lined up a
ton of very talented contributors who have provided new models for
units and buildings, new skins, new item models, new icons by the
dozen, and alot more. I personally have contributed 9 new icons (many
for new units' new spells) and a 10 track musical score. It really is a
giant project, and he's close to wrapping it up, with 8 of the 10 maps
completed.
Maybe people here could look to ROTD for some inspiration to get
off their behinds and make something for everyone to enjoy, and to see
that a largescale project with lots of original content can still be
completed these days.
Here's the link:
Return Of The Dragon
I'm also surprised that more people haven't followed RCX's lead in
making projects which can be completed by an individual or small team.
The general attitude of the community around here, from what I've
observed, is far less creative and willing to work than when CC was
churning out maps (if not whole complete campaigns) during the peak of
SC. Back then there were always people starting up new projects, always
new campaigns on the horizon. However much their quality levels varied,
at least people were making the effort to have fun in a creative way,
using SC as a medium to tell stories to the best of their ability.
Where is that spirit now? Was WC3 that dull to most of you?
My advice, which nobody ever follows, is: "make stuff". If you're
new to modding / campaign making, start small. Shoot for attainable
goals. Finish a small project, release it, apply for hosting somewhere
(here, even), find out what you did right and what you did wrong, and
start again ... maybe on something more ambitious... but most
importantly, make something! Don't be just a passive observer, leeching
off whatever content you can find. Contribute! Start something. Be
creative. |
But do you think that campaign is going to be the spark that ignites everything?
The other problem, or well, concern, is that a lot of people are still
refusing to leave Brood War for Warcraft III, me and a lot of people at
SA and Gameproc included. It's a good thing for the BW community, but
it robs the WCIII community of some vital talent. No, not me.
I just personally think the WCIII bandwagon is being pushed and not pulled at this point. |
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| AA7Dragoon |
Thank you for your input here Joel and Desler.
And especially to you Desler for writing up the foundation history
of Campaign Creations and going through all that trouble. I sincerely
apologize for my cold behavior towards you and hope when your ready,
you'll one day come back to us with something bigger than Celestial
Irruption ever was
Thank you for the .com. It has so much history in the forums. Its unbelievable. |
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| AA7Dragoon |
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Well it's Friday + a lecture from AA7 (Date posted: April 6th, 2001 at 3:50:49pm)
Logged
Alright it's Friday, and I am announcing my last day as CCF President
of this forum. It's been an OK quarter I guess, I was hoping to make a
tournament for you all but the recent events proved otherwise.
Anyways, yes it's Friday and there has been no voting and so forth.
Therefore I am declaring that I was the first and last Campaign
Creations Forum President, a failed experiment. It's disappointing,
but it turned out that most of you prefer a blind "vote for me" than
the actual process. Therefore this position is absolved.
Second, is my personal thoughts on what has been posted these last
three days. Frankly, I am sick of it. There has been so much pointless
spam, I've wasted twenty minutes going over just the first page of
recent threads. I find myself skipping Nitefox's posts, as well as
Raziel's and just basically the whole thing. I have posted, recently
to stop pointless spamming of "sup", and yet, this forum continues to
make threads saying "hi how is everyone". Example, JIMMY's thread of
hi got 59 replies, less than ten were actually "welcome posts". Most
of the rest was pointless spam!
DON'T POST IF THERE IS NOTHING TO POST ABOUT! You are cutting down
threads that are important with stupid pointless ones of your own. You
know who you are, so stop it. You only have these large post records
because 3/4's of everything you post make no sense. Your not a vetern
as the rank says, nor are you a "renowned hero". I want to make it
clear, I will be attacking these kinds of pointless spam posts from now
on, until this Infoceptor spirit goes down. I ask other forumers to
join me in this boycott of ridiculousness. NO MORE! This forum is
getting worse and worse! Thats all, and good day! |
What a little a-hole I was back then. I was going over a few other
threads and boy, what a prick. Still fun to read and my grammar wasn't
all that bad though. |
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| AA7Dragoon |
http://web.archive.org/web/20010420051112/www.campaigncreations.com/
forumcc/YaBB.cgi?board=General+Discussion&action=display&num=987141707
Read Palin's last post in this thread.. |
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| Magic |
*Lol!* Good one!
But your three posts in a row is NOT! |
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| Tipereth |
| Its scary to admit, but I only found CC because I was looking for maps on starcraft.org, and New Avalon Arena came up. |
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| SigmaMagnus |
| OMG I remember the layout from 1999. It was there for a short while after I joined. |
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| TheAvenger |
| SigmaMagnus wrote: |
| OMG I remember the layout from 1999. It was there for a short while after I joined. |
I remember the 2001 Layout, I didn't start
coming here till early 2000. But I don't remember any other layout. I
was 12 then lol.
| Sigma Magnus wrote: |
| No, silly, I am 13 |
And Sigma if your 13 now, you must have been very young in 1999, what, 8? 9?... |
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| JoelS |
| DrumsofWar wrote: |
But do you think that campaign is going to be the spark that ignites everything?
The other problem, or well, concern, is that a lot of people are still
refusing to leave Brood War for Warcraft III, me and a lot of people at
SA and Gameproc included. It's a good thing for the BW community, but
it robs the WCIII community of some vital talent. No, not me.
I just personally think the WCIII bandwagon is being pushed and not pulled at this point. |
I can't say if ROTD will reach enough of an audience to inspire a
legion of campaignmakers. I do think people looking for War3 content to
play ought to check it out, though, as it would seem to be offering
alot of the things people like to see.
It's pretty apparent that CC is not at the center of War3 modding /
campaignmaking. WC3C is, regardless of what you think of its admins or
practices, the place where people seem to go to see War3 content... and
I would imagine that ROTD will only cement that position for them,
should they promote it properly (which I don't think is being done
now). For all the hype Rise of Krill had, and its spectacular failure
to deliver, you'd think they would be ardently promoting a project
that's ten times better and very near to completion more than they are.
I think CC could definitely regain relevance and return to a more
prominent position in the world of custom content creation with some
effort from the people who frequent this forum. Enough people post here
that certainly a few small teams could be formed to make some
campaigns. I don't understand why people would even come to a place
like this unless they had an interest in creating original content for
their favorite games.
RCX continuing to churn out content is great, and there are some..
other things... in the works to bring a bit more content to CC, but
that doesn't excuse the 'community' of people on this forum from
contributing to the site and helping it to grow and gain in popularity.
Unless you all just don't care about that sort of thing and are content
to chat away in your personal corner of the net.
I assumed that when I stopped working on so many campaigns, and
when Desler stopped, and when Oracle stopped, and when Auspex stopped,
that there would be a new wave of people similar to us that would step
in and make amazingly cool new content for people to play. With a few
noted exceptions, that hasn't happened yet. So c'mon people, step up to
the plate and deliver that game winning homerun of a campaign that will
put CC in the center of attention again.
-edit - I also ought to add that over at Gameproc, they have 'The
Tavern' in production, which could turn out to be a pretty impressive
project when it's done. Come on, CC... I mean, come on! Make some cool
stuff! Get going! Do something creative! If this is the site you call
'home', show your team spirit and get a new mod / campaign going. |
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| The Warchief |
I
remember the old days... yeah it was really incredible what CC and its
community accomplished. I also remember really anticipating the
conclusion to Lotc (my favorite). Oh well you can't always get what you
want. I agree with Joel though people should step up to the plate.
Unfortunately for me I'm inept at most of the things (like map making)
required to do this stuff, and believe me I tried with Starcraft. I
tried really hard.....
and failed... |
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| PhoenixReaver |
Whoa.
Talk about nostalgia. I've been a constant lurker mostly, although not
for quite some time now. Posted a bit during the first forums, I
remember I was a huge DI fanboy.
Anyway, I basically registered to tell you guys that Lucainan and
Codebreaker both post at Antioch's forums. Not as much lately, but they
do post. Oh, and Admiral Styles also posts there now and then.
http://www.antiochforever.com/forums is where you will find them, in case you want to say hi to people from your past. |
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| MantisScreamer |
| I'm working on a tc, I just need to get some progress done with it! |
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| Tipereth |
Unfortunatly,
RotD is going to be terrible for the community. Antioch was good
because, not only was it good, it wasn't outstanding. It left room for
improvement. RotD has JASS, models, and tons of other stuff that no one
else does. It's only going to discourage people from making campaigns.
The thing is, any campaign could be the push the community needs. The
problem is doing them. For example, I have a story idea, and campaign
ideas, that could easily astound people. Why doesn't anyone see or hear
them? Because I've accomplished little on the part of bringing them to
life.
Mantis' TC has a decent premise, and with a little help, it could
very well be the thing the community needs. Such a pity that Mantis has
no idea what the spell editor can or can't do. |
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| AA7Dragoon |
| I
think the WarCraft editor perhaps is so advanced and complex its
discouraging players from creating their own campaigns. Before the
editor was so simple like StarEdit Emerald. To make a map you just
needed to figure out how triggers worked. Now if your making a campaign
for WC, your expected to change all the spells and heroes abilities and
create complex cinematics with great camera angles along with fancy
terrain with high and low elevations. Its just so much more work for
the average joe map maker. And for those who enjoy the modding
challenge, they can't customize their own system since the enhancements
are already in the WC world editor. I don't know, just my theory. |
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| Shelf of Justice |
| AA7Dragoon wrote: |
| I
think the WarCraft editor perhaps is so advanced and complex its
discouraging players from creating their own campaigns. Before the
editor was so simple like StarEdit Emerald. To make a map you just
needed to figure out how triggers worked. Now if your making a campaign
for WC, your expected to change all the spells and heroes abilities and
create complex cinematics with great camera angles along with fancy
terrain with high and low elevations. Its just so much more work for
the average joe map maker. And for those who enjoy the modding
challenge, they can't customize their own system since the enhancements
are already in the WC world editor. I don't know, just my theory. |
It's quite possible to create decent maps without 50 custom abilities.
People are just under the misguided impression that they need to add
tons of useless junk to maps. The same thing happened in StarCraft--it
was simply on a smaller scale. |
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| SigmaMagnus |
| JoelS wrote: |
RCX continuing to churn out content is great, and there are some.. other things... in the works to bring a bit more content to CC, but that doesn't excuse
the 'community' of people on this forum from contributing to the site
and helping it to grow and gain in popularity. Unless you all just
don't care about that sort of thing and are content to chat away in
your personal corner of the net.
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Hint Hint? |
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| Shelf of Justice |
| I'd
also like to note that making allusions to my aims for taking over the
site was much more fun than taking over the site. Seriously, this job
sucks, I don't get paid or anything. |
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| CrazyShanker |
| Meh. You get to make fun of people. That's good payment already. |
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| SigmaMagnus |
| I
think to make this forum fun, we need some easy rules. Make some spam
threads. Give someone a laugh. Everything here is boring. Give people a
break. Tell shanker to STFU. (Because he isn't cool) Don't call me a
spam whore. Invite some vets back. Tell me where antioch is. ButtSeckz
me. Also, be fun. Fun=cool. !fun=gay. |
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| AdmiralQuezacotl |
OKay, exact date from which I have been here would be March 2002.
EDIT: Prepares to Abandon CC based on SM's post. |
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| SigmaMagnus |
| OMG nub. JK JK JK. but seriously... BUTTSECKZ |
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| CrazyShanker |
| SigmaMagnus wrote: |
| Give people a break. Tell shanker to STFU. (Because he isn't cool) |
I may not be "cool", But I'm not a brainless, spamming dumbass like you, missingbrainus.
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| Don't call me a spam whore. |
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| OMG nub. JK JK JK. but seriously... BUTTSECKZ |
Yeah. You were saying??? ^ |
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| Shelf of Justice |
| I'm
tossing around the idea of making sport of banning people who make the
forum suck in a reality show fashion. So if you people don't stop
sucking, you might just be put into the running. |
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| SigmaMagnus |
| Look
at the content of the old forums. You can see why people came here.
They came to talk about whatever they wanted. Look, man. See what the
people want. |
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| Desler. |
| Being
the webmaster was never the good job in my opinion Palin. There's
nothing glamerous or fun about it, except maybe changing the layout
from time to time. I always had the most fun when I was making my
campaigns or talking on the forum. Anything else was just
administration. |
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